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Post by sandypine on Oct 11, 2024 15:55:04 GMT
Well you made a pretty good stab at a generalised condemnation of an ethnic group or two. The back pedal in the last sentence didn’t hide it well. No back pedaling what so ever A person who is either Homophobic or has unacceptable views on women does not hold those views because of their nationality, ethnicity or colour, they hold those views because of a cultural problem. The Christian Church in much of Africa is either fairly hostile or extremely hostile to LGBT people, but more especially towards gay men, possibly the best example would be Uganda. I have nothing against Ugandans because they are Ugandan, or because they are Christian, or because they are black, but I have an issue with anyone who holds such views - know the difference. But you did indicate that those of Nigerian Christian heritage had a certain preponderance to specific beliefs as regards Gay + people. I would not argue with your findings. What I would say is that at what point does such judgements become racist? We know that stating that Pakistani Heritage men have a preponderance to indulge themselves in grooming gangs against non-Muslim vulnerable young brings girls brings forth the accusations of the tarring brush with its denouncements of racism. However it seems others can utilise the same tarring brush and escape Scot free of the racism label. It seems that what is said about whom matters less than what the perceived political beliefs are of those involved and it is the left that make those judgements. |
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Post by Totheleft on Oct 11, 2024 16:05:42 GMT
The new Conservative leader will either be Robert Jenrick or Kemi Badenoch, and the Lib Dems in particular are rubbing their hands with glee. Some observers have likened the situation as "an early Christmas present" for Labour and the Lib Dems, both are on the Right wing of the party with some very contoversial views, so much so that the TRG Tory Reform Group have refused to endorse either of the candidates, with many moderates threataning to tear up their voting papers. According to most commentaters, Kemi Badenoch is the favourite amongst Tory Party members, but NOT amongst most Tory Party voters, for whom James Cleverly was the favourite. Mrs Badench is known for many things, in particular her hostile views on the LGBT community, something which comes naturally to so called "Christians" from Nigeria, or of Nigerian heritage. Even many Conservatives have likened the situation as the begining of the fall of Rome, one thing is now absolutely certain, the Tory civil war will get much worse, and with Reform UK on the sidelines, will there be a split, wil the Tory Party survive in its current form. LOL its reform who are the are the ones who are benefiting fiddles. LOL HOW reform going to benefit |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 11, 2024 16:36:39 GMT
LOL its reform who are the are the ones who are benefiting fiddles. LOL HOW reform going to benefit They already are doofus.... |
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Post by Totheleft on Oct 11, 2024 17:13:46 GMT
They already are doofus.... what by winning a couple of local election seats lol |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 11, 2024 17:47:59 GMT
They already are doofus.... what by winning a couple of local election seats lol Come back when you understand joined up thinking doofus. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 11, 2024 17:53:07 GMT
They already are doofus.... what by winning a couple of local election seats lol Yes. They are a small party and any seats won are important. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 12, 2024 6:55:04 GMT
The new Conservative leader will either be Robert Jenrick or Kemi Badenoch, and the Lib Dems in particular are rubbing their hands with glee. Some observers have likened the situation as "an early Christmas present" for Labour and the Lib Dems, both are on the Right wing of the party with some very contoversial views, so much so that the TRG Tory Reform Group have refused to endorse either of the candidates, with many moderates threataning to tear up their voting papers. According to most commentaters, Kemi Badenoch is the favourite amongst Tory Party members, but NOT amongst most Tory Party voters, for whom James Cleverly was the favourite. Mrs Badench is known for many things, in particular her hostile views on the LGBT community, something which comes naturally to so called "Christians" from Nigeria, or of Nigerian heritage. Even many Conservatives have likened the situation as the begining of the fall of Rome, one thing is now absolutely certain, the Tory civil war will get much worse, and with Reform UK on the sidelines, will there be a split, wil the Tory Party survive in its current form. I can't understand why either group will be doing that. The Tories have lurched from 'not being Tory' to 'being more Farage than Farage' Reform must be quite pleased |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 12, 2024 7:15:35 GMT
Whatever happens in the next 5 years, Reform Uk will not be the governing party in 2029, simply because in our FPTP system its impossible to jump from 5 MPs to over 320 MP's Last year You would have ridiculed the thought of Farage ever being an MP. In fact i bet if I had the laptop not the phone a quick search .... In 2003 it was considered inconceivable that the Labour Party would ever lose the seat that sent Nye Bevan to form the NHS and Michael Foot to lead the party into obscurity in 1983 But then Labour parachuted in a woman no one had heard of, to replace a man most of its voters thought was a hard working constituency MP worth keeping. The next election took over a decade to reverse the shock result, and labour has never had a majority in the shit pit in Cardiff since. What you mean like Wales where Labour have royally fucked all of these for 25 years yet hatred of the Tories for what they have done for a century kept Labour a player. 2026 will be very interesting How very Islamic. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 12, 2024 14:56:23 GMT
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Post by thomas on Oct 12, 2024 16:41:43 GMT
doubt it. While I agree badenoch will slaughter starmer at PMQs , lets be fair that isnt such a high bar. Even Rishi sunak was slaughtering starmer the other day with his I dont think even lord Ali will buy that one. Farage has already flagged up one of badenochs weakness when he pointed out she was championing more legal migration , and students bring in dependants previously , contrary to what reform voters want. I think both jenrick and badenoch are simply more of the same wet tory blankets that are being offered up to the members once again , for more of the same we have seen under the likes of sunak.I think the penny is dropping among the English that labour and tory are two cheeks of the same arse no matter who holds power and who leads.I would have liked fresh new faces for the Tory leadership, they needed to distance themselves from the 'old Tory' party, and why they lost, recycling the same old same old might not pay off in the long run, but out of who are on offer both Bandenoch and Jenrick are the only two who appear to be grass roots Tory right wing. I fully agree. Both contenders are simply faces from the bad old tories that both voters and some members despise. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 12, 2024 17:03:04 GMT
I think it may be stretching it to say Farage will be the next PM, I know it's not impossible, but I think even the most optimistic of Reform UK voters would have to admit, it's unlikely. Having said that, I think Reform UK and Farage will have a huge effect on British politics over the next few years. UKIP were big, but Reform UK are going to be massive, largely because of continued mass immigration. |
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