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Post by B0ycey on Oct 15, 2022 9:27:33 GMT
Liz Truss is abysmal, but so are the alternatives, Starmer and Davey. Lucas is away with the fairies and the SNP are insane. For the first time ever I am considering not voting. Because there isn't any decent option, they're ALL shit. Sure, there's the odd good MP and decent candidates, but no leader of any party is worthy of the job of Prime Minister at this time. I agree they are all shit, but would you vote to be energy sufficient by 2030? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 15, 2022 9:29:07 GMT
Depends on what the plan is for energy sufficiency is.
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 15, 2022 9:33:35 GMT
Depends on what the plan is for energy sufficiency is. Green energy is what is on offer. That includes nuclear but it should be said given it takes decades for them to be built, most of the first set of infrastructure will be wind as from initial cost to energy generation and time of construction they are the best option. The jobs to build these windmills will be British. But we will be energy sufficient by 2030. Would you vote for that even if the guy you are voting for is a complete muppet? |
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Post by borchester on Oct 15, 2022 9:34:49 GMT
Liz Truss is abysmal, but so are the alternatives, Starmer and Davey. Lucas is away with the fairies and the SNP are insane. For the first time ever I am considering not voting. Because there isn't any decent option, they're ALL shit. Sure, there's the odd good MP and decent candidates, but no leader of any party is worthy of the job of Prime Minister at this time. True.
The way I look at it, Hunt is just another Lib Dem. Why he is still in the Tory party or even allowed to remain in the UK is beyond me, but right now a vote for the Conservatives is a vote for Brussels, so I think that I will probably sit the 2024 election out.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 15, 2022 9:48:39 GMT
Depends on what the plan is for energy sufficiency is. Green energy is what is on offer. That includes nuclear but it should be said given it takes decades for them to be built, most of the first set of infrastructure will be wind as from initial cost to energy generation and time of construction they are the best option. The jobs to build these windmills will be British. But we will be energy sufficient by 2030. Would you vote for that even if the guy you are voting for is a complete muppet? Nice idea in theory, but the devil is in the detail, gigawatts required by the people at peak times, gigawatts that can consistently be supplied, motor vehicle fuels available, gas for home heating / cooking. What are the more detailed plans? |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 15, 2022 9:53:53 GMT
Green energy is what is on offer. That includes nuclear but it should be said given it takes decades for them to be built, most of the first set of infrastructure will be wind as from initial cost to energy generation and time of construction they are the best option. The jobs to build these windmills will be British. But we will be energy sufficient by 2030. Would you vote for that even if the guy you are voting for is a complete muppet? Nice idea in theory, but the devil is in the detail, gigawatts required by the people at peak times, gigawatts that can consistently be supplied, motor vehicle fuels available, gas for home heating / cooking. What are the more detailed plans? I have just given you the broad idea. I guess the detail will be put in the manifesto. Although what I will say is energy can be stored using flywheels and if energy in generated at non peak times, it would then be available for peak times. So I guess all I am asking you is would you vote on an idea that you support even if the personality is a complete tool or is the personality more important than the idea? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 15, 2022 10:11:36 GMT
I will look at what's available when the time comes.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 15, 2022 10:48:03 GMT
Liz Truss is abysmal, but so are the alternatives, Starmer and Davey. Lucas is away with the fairies and the SNP are insane. For the first time ever I am considering not voting. Because there isn't any decent option, they're ALL shit. Sure, there's the odd good MP and decent candidates, but no leader of any party is worthy of the job of Prime Minister at this time. The problem is that we have ended up with a Labour Party that doesnt want to promote the interest of labour, a Conservative Party that doesn't believe in conservatism and a LibDem party that is neither liberal or at all democratic... So you are correct - they are all as bad as each other. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 15, 2022 10:50:02 GMT
Depends on what the plan is for energy sufficiency is. Green energy is what is on offer. That includes nuclear but it should be said given it takes decades for them to be built, most of the first set of infrastructure will be wind as from initial cost to energy generation and time of construction they are the best option. The jobs to build these windmills will be British. But we will be energy sufficient by 2030. Would you vote for that even if the guy you are voting for is a complete muppet? Dream on....  |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 15, 2022 10:57:55 GMT
Green energy is what is on offer. That includes nuclear but it should be said given it takes decades for them to be built, most of the first set of infrastructure will be wind as from initial cost to energy generation and time of construction they are the best option. The jobs to build these windmills will be British. But we will be energy sufficient by 2030. Would you vote for that even if the guy you are voting for is a complete muppet? Dream on.... Why do you say that? Over 26% of the UK energy needs is in wind right now. We haven't even taken advantage of the best sea wind lands. It would also pay for itself. The only thing slowing us down right now is the Tories crazy idea of not doing a windfall tax and letting the private sector invest in green energy instead and what we should be doing is what we did after the war and borrow to build infrastructure (Keynesian economics). |
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Post by sword on Oct 15, 2022 10:59:29 GMT
Tories have list their mandate. Truss is an utterly disaster. If she resigns as expected, then the King should dissolve parliament and trigger a general election. BC, the last thing the parliamentary conservative party want is an election. But it is something Truss should use to her advantage. She should hold a press conference and publicly tell the party to back her or she will call an election. Should that happen, and it could, just watch those pro EU centrist wankers on the Tory back benches fall into line. They won't risk an election two years before it's necessary, there are a lot of new Tory MP's in hitherto Labour seats who are getting used to an £84,000 salary plus generous perks. What about the Country Red? this is all about whats best for the Conservative party and their MPs,as Crusader said we need a election,even if they get Truss out,what then replace her with yet another clown of a leader? thats not democracy its a grotesque parody of one. |
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Post by sword on Oct 15, 2022 11:02:42 GMT
Rubbish, I would have thought it was obvious [to anyone but diehard Labour supporters] that the very last thing we need right now is an election. You cant judge a government after five minutes in office, well Morgan obviously can but we're not all as gifted as him lol. People who are rubbishing this government should have a look what's going on in other countries, currencies are crashing against the US dollar and €urozone interest rates are going up for the same reason they're going up in the UK, to stop inflation getting out of control. At the moment France is crippled with strikes, and in Germany they're lighting up coal fired power stations because they have no electricity. I suppose that's Liz Truss's fault too. What is rubbish about what Morgan says. Four Prime Ministers in 6 years. Four chancellors in 4 months. The worst performing economy in the G7. The debt out of control. More food banks in England than MacDonald's. Admitting the policy they have adopted since George Osborne was the Chancellor was wrong and after 12 years creating the disaster now on us. Then within a month. This clown wrecks the economy. Sacks a chancellor. Blaming him on her policy. Does a 180 on all policy. Lets just say. You and I have a different view what 5 minutes means. By the way as the mini budget turns out as a maxi disaster as the IMF in America give Kwarteng a earful. If one U turn is a right turn. Is a dozen several round abouts. In terms of your $ and Eurozone garbage. Those are caused by world events. The UK is self inflicted by this bunch of clowns. In terms of ranting coal fires in Germany. The Uk only relies on 4% of energy from Russia. The Uk has the north sea, which several months ago you ranted was running out of oil. Do you now believe me when I stated there is more left in it, than has been taken out. As riots are breaking out in England to stop further drilling and the Uk is crippled with strikes. Not to mention you are still at the good bit in England re energy. England will have to close some 8 nuclear power stations and built 9 new ones. And going by Hinkley Point that will come in at around £600 billion to the tax payer. Thats me. Now why do I have to pay for your energy on a product that Scotland exports by the bucket full. As you rant you have to pay others. And that matey is 100% down to the Conservatives. Who like PPE have ignored the issue since they took power. Or is that the fault of everybody else as well. Not to mention as you pay to drink your own excrement. England is expected to run out of water in the next 25 years. . As this bunch of total wankers are more interested in paying shareholders £57 billion than sorting the problem. England has two choices in that respect. Desalination. Going by California, as I understand you will get 5 gallons for a pound or buy it from Scotland. This is what England is facing. As you ignore it. All this matey ignored by your heroes. Now why should I pay for it. Oh you need a election. However far your head is stuck up the proverbial in denial. As I have said. You are still at the good bit mate. As the present incumbents in Westminster, like PPE, still ignore it. But what the hell as you root for them. . inews.co.uk/news/environment/england-run-out-of-water-25-years-scotland-is-the-answer-270651www.quora.com/How-much-does-a-water-desalination-plant-costBut Corbyn LOL!! |
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Post by colbops on Oct 15, 2022 11:02:52 GMT
BC, the last thing the parliamentary conservative party want is an election. But it is something Truss should use to her advantage. She should hold a press conference and publicly tell the party to back her or she will call an election. Should that happen, and it could, just watch those pro EU centrist wankers on the Tory back benches fall into line. They won't risk an election two years before it's necessary, there are a lot of new Tory MP's in hitherto Labour seats who are getting used to an £84,000 salary plus generous perks. What about the Country Red? this is all about whats best for the Conservative party and their MPs,as Crusader said we need a election,even if they get Truss out,what then replace her with yet another clown of a leader? thats not democracy its a grotesque parody of one. What about the country? What are you proposing, Revolution? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 15, 2022 11:03:37 GMT
Dream on.... Why do you say that? Over 26% of the UK energy needs is in wind right now. We haven't even taken advantage of the best sea wind lands. It would also pay for itself. The only thing slowing us down right now is the Tories crazy idea of not doing a windfall tax and letting the private sector invest in green energy instead and what we should be doing is what we did after the war and borrow to build infrastructure (Keynesian economics). We already subsidise the production renewables now you want the Government to be in charge of supplying them as well?. How many years has the Government been fucking about over the decision to build new Nuclear Power capacity? - do you really want Civil Servents who cant run the DVLA put in charge of energy supply? The private sector will build and deliver - but Government has to get out of the way and there is no sign of that happening any time soon. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 15, 2022 11:08:18 GMT
Why do you say that? Over 26% of the UK energy needs is in wind right now. We haven't even taken advantage of the best sea wind lands. It would also pay for itself. The only thing slowing us down right now is the Tories crazy idea of not doing a windfall tax and letting the private sector invest in green energy instead and what we should be doing is what we did after the war and borrow to build infrastructure (Keynesian economics). We already subsidise the production renewables now you want the Government to be in charge of supplying them as well?. How many years has the Government been fucking about over the decision to build new Nuclear Power capacity? - do you really want Civil Servents who cant run the DVLA put in charge of energy supply? The private sector will build and deliver - but Government has to get out of the way and there is no sign of that happening any time soon. you are aware the UK government built nuclear power plants without the private sector before right? If you want the French or the Chinese to build your nuclear power plants than by all means keep your head in the sand. What I am saying we should do is what we did before. Keynesism economics got America out of a depression, it can get the UK out of Trussonomics. |
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