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Post by Pacifico on Oct 7, 2024 16:56:51 GMT
As I just mentioned, with the change of government, it is now incorrect to classify cross-channel paddlers or any other clandestine entrants from the EU as 'illegal' since they almost all claim asylum on arrival. It has nothing to do with the change in Government - illegal migrants were always free to claim asylum on arrival. That did not mean they were no longer illegal, it simply meant that no sanctions could be taken against them for their illegal entry until their claim was adjudicated. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 7, 2024 17:03:13 GMT
Dan, you mention above that I'm 'fretting' over illegals from the EU. Let me be as clear as I can, I am not fretting. I am absolutely bloody seething. It is ridiculous beyond words that criminals/illegals can cross the channel from France then claim asylum or refugee status in the UK. It's absolute madness. However, there is a shaft of light. This insanity will prove to be good news for Farage and Reform UK. Reform need to be a constant thorn in the side of Westminster, just like Ukip were in the EUSSR. That's what effective opposition is all about, no wonder they are becoming more popular by the day....... UKIP were a revelation because they were a success, it was a new political party who actually achieved it's aim. However, I think the success of UKIP may be dwarfed by the success of Reform UK. The local elections in May will send an absolute shock wave through Westminster, and because of the policies of this pro immigrant socialist government, Reform UK will continue to grow. Lefty politicians sneer, as they did at UKIP. But behind closed doors they will be concerned about the rise of Reform UK. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2024 17:13:39 GMT
Reform need to be a constant thorn in the side of Westminster, just like Ukip were in the EUSSR. That's what effective opposition is all about, no wonder they are becoming more popular by the day....... UKIP were a revelation because they were a success, it was a new political party who actually achieved it's aim. However, I think the success of UKIP may be dwarfed by the success of Reform UK. The local elections in May will send an absolute shock wave through Westminster, and because of the policies of this pro immigrant socialist government, Reform UK will continue to grow. Lefty politicians sneer, as they did at UKIP. But behind closed doors they will be concerned about the rise of Reform UK. You only have to read the comments in the newspapers and on Youtube to see how their popularity is increasing. Even those who own up to voting for Labour are now seeing the folly of their ways...It says something when even Carol Vorderman admits that she was duped by 2 Tier Keir... |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 7, 2024 17:14:44 GMT
As I just mentioned, with the change of government, it is now incorrect to classify cross-channel paddlers or any other clandestine entrants from the EU as 'illegal' since they almost all claim asylum on arrival. It has nothing to do with the change in Government - illegal migrants were always free to claim asylum on arrival. That did not mean they were no longer illegal, it simply meant that no sanctions could be taken against them for their illegal entry until their claim was adjudicated. While what you state is historically correct, the 2023 Illegal Immigration Act removed the right to claim asylum from claimants deemed to have arrived from a safe country.
Within days of taking office the Labour government brought into effect its Illegal Migration Act 2023 (Amendment) Regulations which abrogated certain retrospective elements of the original Act including the provisions to disallow asylum claims by illegal migrants.
This was given effect by means of a Statutory Instrument meaning that the changes, unlike the Act itself, were not subject to parliamentary debate. Hence the widescale lack of knowledge of their existence.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 7, 2024 17:16:13 GMT
I'm not hiding behind anything, merely pointing out the reality of the situation rather than relying on wishful thinking. As things stand now, according to the law of the land, clandestine entrants from the EU are permitted to claim asylum on arrival and those who do will not be considered illegal migrants. I know you wish it were otherwise since that would support your preferred narrative but unfortunately that's not going to happen, at least as long as the present government is in power. Indeed, although I feel duty bound to point out that the situation was the same under the last government. Somebody else who appears to be unaware of the Illegal Migration Act 2023 (Amendment) Regulations 2024. |
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Post by Totheleft on Oct 7, 2024 17:17:51 GMT
Reform need to be a constant thorn in the side of Westminster, just like Ukip were in the EUSSR. That's what effective opposition is all about, no wonder they are becoming more popular by the day....... UKIP were a revelation because they were a success, it was a new political party who actually achieved it's aim. However, I think the success of UKIP may be dwarfed by the success of Reform UK. The local elections in May will send an absolute shock wave through Westminster, and because of the policies of this pro immigrant socialist government, Reform UK will continue to grow. Lefty politicians sneer, as they did at UKIP. But behind closed doors they will be concerned about the rise of Reform UK. Think independents are more of a threat then Reform www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=00b4aab9d136abae75e42cd5d8437189c854c315146e94a88fc3c180f86b747fJmltdHM9MTcyODI1OTIwMA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=4&fclid=19bb2552-da1d-666b-1042-31b8dbdf67bc&psq=how+many+independent+mps+in+parliament&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmJjLmNvLnVrL25ld3MvYXJ0aWNsZXMvY2Q3M3g3N3IyMmRv&ntb=1 |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2024 17:17:53 GMT
It has nothing to do with the change in Government - illegal migrants were always free to claim asylum on arrival. That did not mean they were no longer illegal, it simply meant that no sanctions could be taken against them for their illegal entry until their claim was adjudicated. While what you state is historically correct, the 2023 Illegal Immigration Act removed the right to claim asylum from claimants deemed to have arrived from a safe country.
Within days of taking office the Labour government brought into effect its Illegal Migration Act 2023 (Amendment) Regulations which abrogated certain retrospective elements of the original Act including the provisions to disallow asylum claims by illegal migrants.
This was given effect by means of a Statutory Instrument meaning that the changes, unlike the Act itself, were not subject to parliamentary debate. Hence the widescale lack of knowledge of their existence.
Including the UK border farce... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 7, 2024 17:19:05 GMT
As I just mentioned, with the change of government, it is now incorrect to classify cross-channel paddlers or any other clandestine entrants from the EU as 'illegal' since they almost all claim asylum on arrival. It has nothing to do with the change in Government - illegal migrants were always free to claim asylum on arrival. That did not mean they were no longer illegal, it simply meant that no sanctions could be taken against them for their illegal entry until their claim was adjudicated. Indeed, but the only reason a criminal/illegal can paddle across the channel and claim asylum/refugee status in the UK is because of the 1951 refugee convention and every politician in the UK and the EU know damned well it was never designed to stop governments deporting illegals. It should have been repealed years ago. It's outdated legislation that is quite obviously no longer fit for purpose. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 7, 2024 17:31:53 GMT
It has nothing to do with the change in Government - illegal migrants were always free to claim asylum on arrival. That did not mean they were no longer illegal, it simply meant that no sanctions could be taken against them for their illegal entry until their claim was adjudicated. While what you state is historically correct, the 2023 Illegal Immigration Act removed the right to claim asylum from claimants deemed to have arrived from a safe country.
Within days of taking office the Labour government brought into effect its Illegal Migration Act 2023 (Amendment) Regulations which abrogated certain retrospective elements of the original Act including the provisions to disallow asylum claims by illegal migrants.
This was given effect by means of a Statutory Instrument meaning that the changes, unlike the Act itself, were not subject to parliamentary debate. Hence the widescale lack of knowledge of their existence.
So the present situation is the same one that has applied since 1954. The reality is that the Illegal Migration Act 2023 achieved nothing in controlling illegal migration - smoke and mirrors. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 7, 2024 17:34:16 GMT
It has nothing to do with the change in Government - illegal migrants were always free to claim asylum on arrival. That did not mean they were no longer illegal, it simply meant that no sanctions could be taken against them for their illegal entry until their claim was adjudicated. Indeed, but the only reason a criminal/illegal can paddle across the channel and claim asylum/refugee status in the UK is because of the 1951 refugee convention and every politician in the UK and the EU know damned well it was never designed to stop governments deporting illegals. It should have been repealed years ago. It's outdated legislation that is quite obviously no longer fit for purpose. The Refugee Convention does not stop you deporting illegals - the reluctance to deport illegal entrants and failed asylum seekers from the UK is a choice by the Government. Other countries manage - France even deports people when the ECHR puts a block on the deportation, that decision is simply ignored. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 7, 2024 17:39:38 GMT
Indeed, but the only reason a criminal/illegal can paddle across the channel and claim asylum/refugee status in the UK is because of the 1951 refugee convention and every politician in the UK and the EU know damned well it was never designed to stop governments deporting illegals. It should have been repealed years ago. It's outdated legislation that is quite obviously no longer fit for purpose. The Refugee Convention does not stop you deporting illegals - the reluctance to deport illegal entrants and failed asylum seekers from the UK is a choice by the Government. Other countries manage - France even deports people when the ECHR puts a block on the deportation, that decision is simply ignored. I agree, we seem to be the only country who rigidly observe antiquated legislation. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 7, 2024 17:53:42 GMT
Indeed, although I feel duty bound to point out that the situation was the same under the last government. Somebody else who appears to be unaware of the Illegal Migration Act 2023 (Amendment) Regulations 2024. Which means what, exactly? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 17, 2024 20:41:05 GMT
Was this peice [sic] of scum, 'Mohamed Iidow', an illegal immigrant. Was that really the first thing that came into your head when you read this truly distressing report, Red? No doubt you will be so disappointed if he isn’t. My first thought was that it is all.partvsnd parcel of life in a big city ruled by Saddo Khan't |
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Post by aristaeus on Oct 18, 2024 8:07:39 GMT
Was that really the first thing that came into your head when you read this truly distressing report, Red? No doubt you will be so disappointed if he isn’t. My first thought was that it is all.partvsnd parcel of life in a big city ruled by Saddo Khan't Maybe you could get your hero Anders Breivik to come over and kill a few kids. After all, you think he had the right idea when he slaughtered all those kids in Norway, so presumably that would apply to the UK as well. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 18, 2024 8:17:53 GMT
My first thought was that it is all.partvsnd parcel of life in a big city ruled by Saddo Khan't Maybe you could get your hero Anders Breivik to come over and kill a few kids. After all, you think he had the right idea when he slaughtered all those kids in Norway, so presumably that would apply to the UK as well. The Corbyn Loving First minister Two ministers ago is on record as saying he found the illegal activities of Welsh language campaigners 'quite exciting' as a young man When the First Minister applauds burning buildings bought by Englishmen and blowing up reservoirs built to supply England with water, and instigated measures to drown out English votes with those of immigrants and their children, who need not be citizens, they just need to accept being shunt d intomareas of Tory marginality, i begun to think Breivik had the right idea Anyone who takes an honest look at Labour's attitude to the Provisional IRA and Sinn Fein would have to admit bombing, shooting and destroying property clearly brings about political empowerment too. We already have the evidence of tens of thousands more people than voted the scum in protesting at the policy they snuck in to wage war on motorists and being told to fuck off as an obvious pointer. When unicameral unfettered devolved authorities start playing god, what other way is there to restore rational policy ?? |
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