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Post by happyjack on Oct 7, 2024 15:04:01 GMT
I agree. Childishly using EUSSR rather than the established EU acronym is indeed UTTER BOLLOCKS - so why do you do it? It's a fucking dictatorship FFS...You should know you support 2 Tieir Keir our own dictator... It is childish TOTAL BOLLOCKS |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2024 15:04:09 GMT
You suppose wrong, as seems to be a recurring theme with you. I have neither lost the argument ( how could I given the bollocks argument I am up against) and it is not semantics to differentiate between via and from in this case: indeed, that distinction is central to the point at hand. We are having a take-out tonight... |
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Post by happyjack on Oct 7, 2024 15:05:01 GMT
Yes, that’s right - most of them do (if by EUSSR you were childishly referring to the EU). You should try telling that to your fellow anti-immigrant obsessives out there because most of them bizarrely seem to believe that they come from the EU. I suppose that now you've lost the argument you have to resort to the pedantry and semantics. Absolute vintage Steve. 🤣 You suppose wrong, as seems to be a recurring theme with you. I have neither lost the argument ( how could I given the bollocks argument I am up against) and it is not semantics to differentiate between via and from in this case: indeed, that distinction is central to the point at hand. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2024 15:05:11 GMT
It's a fucking dictatorship FFS...You should know you support 2 Tieir Keir our own dictator... TOTAL BOLLOCKS OK steve... |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 7, 2024 15:45:32 GMT
www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/analysis-new-home-office-report-admits-grooming-gangs-are-not-muslim-problem“A powerful modern racial myth has been exploded. What started as a far-right trope had migrated into the mainstream, meeting little resistance along the way”
“a much-anticipated Home Office report has concluded that there is no credible evidence that any one ethnic group is over-represented in cases of child sexual exploitation”.
“The “grooming gangs” narrative fed into the agenda of the far right”
“The two-year study by the Home Office makes very clear that there are no grounds for asserting that Muslim or Pakistani-heritage men are disproportionately engaged in such crimes”
“The common denominator is not immigration, race, culture or Islam”
“It is time to call off the witch-hunt. We need finally to accept what credible research has been telling us for years: that child sexual abuse is not a “Muslim problem” but is endemic to virtually all communities”
A load of lefty BOLLOCKS... SO, that would make you CBN post a load of racist bollocks then... All The Best |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 7, 2024 15:45:53 GMT
India, Pakistan, Nigeria, China, Sudan, Eritrea, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Colombia, Brazil etc etc you name it. It would be shorter to make a list of where they're not coming from. Indeed, Vietnamese illegals are also among the top arrivals, but they don't fly into Heathrow. They enter this country in cars, lorries, huge inflatable dinghies, or across the Irish border, and they all arrive in this country from the EU. HMG gives out around two million visas a year to visitors from countries deemed to require them due to an inclination to overstay and other illegal activities. That far eclipses the numbers arriving the EU and provides the bulk of the illegal population. Clandestine arrivals from the EU have always been a small fraction of the overall total, notwithstanding the change in preferred transportation method from road to dinghy.
Incidentally, the figures quoted in the Telegraph (up to 745,000) date from 2017 so the number of illegals in the UK are likely to be rather larger now.
Edit: since the Labour government has abolished the provisions in the Illegal Migration Act which deemed small boat arrivals to be illegal immigrants they can no longer be included in the total, meaning that the number of illegals who arrive from the EU is now very close to zero. Some may become illegal later on if their asylum claim is refused and they decline to remove themselves.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2024 15:51:37 GMT
A load of lefty BOLLOCKS... SO, that would make you CBN post a load of racist bollocks then... All The Best Nope but it shot you're bullshit down that everyone is using the same "root source" |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 7, 2024 15:57:32 GMT
Indeed, Vietnamese illegals are also among the top arrivals, but they don't fly into Heathrow. They enter this country in cars, lorries, huge inflatable dinghies, or across the Irish border, and they all arrive in this country from the EU. HMG gives out around two million visas a year to visitors from countries deemed to require them due to an inclination to overstay and other illegal activities. That far eclipses the numbers arriving the EU and provides the bulk of the illegal population. Clandestine arrivals from the EU have always been a small fraction of the overall total, notwithstanding the change in preferred transportation method from road to dinghy.
Incidentally, the figures quoted in the Telegraph (up to 745,000) date from 2017 so the number of illegals in the UK are likely to be rather larger now.
I agree overall immigration is far too high, but I was specifically talking about cross channel illegal immigration. As it happens there's just been an item on GB News about this very subject. It seems the top nationality for illegals crossing the channel is currently Iranian, the top nationality for foreign prisoners is Albanian, and since 2018 just 3% of illegals have been deported. No doubt with a Labour government any deportations will of course, be stopped. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 7, 2024 16:00:41 GMT
As I just mentioned, with the change of government, it is now incorrect to classify cross-channel paddlers or any other clandestine entrants from the EU as 'illegal' since they almost all claim asylum on arrival.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 7, 2024 16:16:47 GMT
As I just mentioned, with the change of government, it is now incorrect to classify cross-channel paddlers or any other clandestine entrants from the EU as 'illegal' since they almost all claim asylum on arrival. Ahh I see, you're using Starmers hand book and hiding behind 1950's legislation. It is utterly preposterous to claim asylum having fled the EU state of France. If the illegal invasion were going in the opposite direction then regardless of any legislation it would have been stopped almost immediately. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 7, 2024 16:25:39 GMT
I'm not hiding behind anything, merely pointing out the reality of the situation rather than relying on wishful thinking. As things stand now, according to the law of the land, clandestine entrants from the EU are permitted to claim asylum on arrival and those who do will not be considered illegal migrants.
I know you wish it were otherwise since that would support your preferred narrative but unfortunately that's not going to happen, at least as long as the present government is in power.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 7, 2024 16:35:21 GMT
Incidentally, it took a bit of digging but I have now located the illegal migration study referred in the Telegraph article. irregularmigration.eu/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/MIRREM-Kierans-and-Vargas-Silva-2024-Irregular-Migrant-Population-in-Europe-v1.pdfBottom line conclusion: the data is too old to be reliable, most countries (including the UK) have not made any serious attempt to count the illegal population since 2016 or 2017. But to put this into perspective and to set against Red's fretting about arrivals from the EU, the problem as far as the UK is concerned is much larger than that. As noted in the Telegraph: "The Home Office does not publish data on the number of illegal migrants in the UK except for those crossing the Channel. Most of those are, however, not included in Oxford research because they seek asylum on arrival.... Experts suggested the size of the UK’s illegal migrant population could reflect its bigger black economy than other countries, the Government’s reluctance to grant amnesties unlike other nations and “hostile environment” policies that incentivised migrants to stay away from public services. Although the Home Office does not publish the data, leaked internal Home Office estimates five years ago suggested that at least 150,000 foreign nationals entered the UK illegally each year and then disappeared into the black economy." |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 7, 2024 16:45:31 GMT
Dan, you mention above that I'm 'fretting' over illegals from the EU. Let me be as clear as I can, I am not fretting. I am absolutely bloody seething.
It is ridiculous beyond words that criminals/illegals can cross the channel from France then claim asylum or refugee status in the UK. It's absolute madness. However, there is a shaft of light. This insanity will prove to be good news for Farage and Reform UK.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 7, 2024 16:46:14 GMT
I'm not hiding behind anything, merely pointing out the reality of the situation rather than relying on wishful thinking. As things stand now, according to the law of the land, clandestine entrants from the EU are permitted to claim asylum on arrival and those who do will not be considered illegal migrants. I know you wish it were otherwise since that would support your preferred narrative but unfortunately that's not going to happen, at least as long as the present government is in power. Indeed, although I feel duty bound to point out that the situation was the same under the last government. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2024 16:52:31 GMT
Dan, you mention above that I'm 'fretting' over illegals from the EU. Let me be as clear as I can, I am not fretting. I am absolutely bloody seething. It is ridiculous beyond words that criminals/illegals can cross the channel from France then claim asylum or refugee status in the UK. It's absolute madness. However, there is a shaft of light. This insanity will prove to be good news for Farage and Reform UK. Reform need to be a constant thorn in the side of Westminster, just like Ukip were in the EUSSR. That's what effective opposition is all about, no wonder they are becoming more popular by the day....... |
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