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Post by see2 on Oct 5, 2024 13:12:48 GMT
An American English version of spectre. i.e. something widely feared as a possible unpleasant or dangerous occurrence. We all have those, leftism, wokism, socialism are all spectres haunting those who prefer a much more liberal society predicated on the people of the society and not of the world. If one wants to celebrate the delights of the world one should travel, if one does not it is reasonable to assume that the world should be largely excluded. Unless of course the electorate have voted for the world to come here and it is a certainty that they have not. None of which have the smirking grin of the very dishonest Farage. Leftism like wokery is another imprecise collective term that cowardly Rightists hide behind. Why are you rambling on about "the world"? |
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Post by see2 on Oct 5, 2024 13:19:46 GMT
An American English version of spectre. i.e. something widely feared as a possible unpleasant or dangerous occurrence. What is wrong with the English version? Is English not your first language? We just happen to be on an American forum that requests American English. As it happens I also do some writing in American English for American readers so slipping between the two different spellings happens. So you know what you can do with your insinuating question. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 5, 2024 13:26:57 GMT
The Tories are divided If they go Populist as Liz Truss wants, they lose many thousands of traditional Tory voters in the Conservative heartlands. If they go down the traditional Conservative road, there's no chance of winning back Red Wall seats or working class areas that voted Tory in 2019. In effect they cant win which is where the Tories should be. If they stay centrist, as they probably will at least in the short term, then traditional Tory voters will continue to turn to Reform UK, and I'll let you into the worst kept secret at Westminster, behind the scenes the Tories know it. Wake up, your dishonest insinuation that Hard-Right is Centre-Right is just your way of hiding just how far to the Right you are. But your posts reveal the truth even if you don't realize it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 5, 2024 13:46:24 GMT
By populist I assume you mean mean centre right, which is where the Tories should be. If they stay centrist, as they probably will at least in the short term, then traditional Tory voters will continue to turn to Reform UK, and I'll let you into the worst kept secret at Westminster, behind the scenes the Tories know it. Wake up, your dishonest insinuation that Hard-Right is Centre-Right is just your way of hiding just how far to the Right you are. But your posts reveal the truth even if you don't realize it. Jeez, how can one person be as deluded as you? Tell me, what in your opinion is 'hard right'?.. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 5, 2024 14:13:02 GMT
Wake up, your dishonest insinuation that Hard-Right is Centre-Right is just your way of hiding just how far to the Right you are. But your posts reveal the truth even if you don't realize it. Jeez, how can one person be as deluded as you? Tell me, what in your opinion is 'hard right'?.. I'll do better than that, I'll give you an example. Thatcher's government 1979 to 1990. Check out what she did and what she accomplished before replying. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 5, 2024 14:17:45 GMT
Jeez, how can one person be as deluded as you? Tell me, what in your opinion is 'hard right'?.. I'll do better than that, I'll give you an example. Thatcher's government 1979 to 1990. Check out what she did and what she accomplished before replying.You think the Thatcher government was 'hard right'! Incredible. We have never had a hard right or far right government in this country. For Christs sake go back to school. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 5, 2024 14:29:35 GMT
Wake up, your dishonest insinuation that Hard-Right is Centre-Right is just your way of hiding just how far to the Right you are. But your posts reveal the truth even if you don't realize it. Jeez, how can one person be as deluded as you? Tell me, what in your opinion is 'hard right'?.. Gawd, don't start that again. Last time it took him 16 pages to not answer that question! 🤣 |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 5, 2024 14:52:44 GMT
Jeez, how can one person be as deluded as you? Tell me, what in your opinion is 'hard right'?.. Gawd, don't start that again. Last time it took him 16 pages to not answer that question! 🤣  |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 5, 2024 15:19:28 GMT
Says the poster who waffled absolute rubbish for 16 pages in his own thread and lacked the substance as usual to have "serious debate". Why you indulge in obvious lies ^^^, is something you really do need to address. I see why you are referred to as senile. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 5, 2024 15:31:55 GMT
We all have those, leftism, wokism, socialism are all spectres haunting those who prefer a much more liberal society predicated on the people of the society and not of the world. If one wants to celebrate the delights of the world one should travel, if one does not it is reasonable to assume that the world should be largely excluded. Unless of course the electorate have voted for the world to come here and it is a certainty that they have not. None of which have the smirking grin of the very dishonest Farage. Leftism like wokery is another imprecise collective term that cowardly Rightists hide behind. Why are you rambling on about "the world"? I have already defined wokism which is the same as wokery. Do you disagree with my definition? |
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 5, 2024 18:53:47 GMT
The Tories are divided If they go Populist as Liz Truss wants, they lose many thousands of traditional Tory voters in the Conservative heartlands. If they go down the traditional Conservative road, there's no chance of winning back Red Wall seats or working class areas that voted Tory in 2019. In effect they cant win By populist I assume you mean mean centre right, which is where the Tories should be. If they stay centrist, as they probably will at least in the short term, then traditional Tory voters will continue to turn to Reform UK, and I'll let you into the worst kept secret at Westminster, behind the scenes the Tories know it. Sorry, but I am afraid that you have very little idea of what "populism" really means At one time the far right of the Conservative party were on the fringes of the party, the best known group was called "The Monday Club", but the populists have grown and grown, and the Tory party is now where Labour was a few years ago, bitterly divided. Centre Right is TRADITIONAL Conservatism, recognisable to Sir Edward Heath, Sir John Major, Harold MacMillan, Nicholas Soames, the grandson of Sir Winston Churchill and many current and recent Conservative MPs. These people would have had nothing to do with culture wars, xenophobia or isolationism, or rejecting the norms of the international rule of law. Most traditional Tories reject Reform UK, and the only reason that Reform UK have had some limited success is because some of their support also comes from disaffected working class, usually Labour voters, the kind of people who will vote for Populism, but will not vote for a more traditional Conservative Party. In 2019 the plannets were well aligned fot the Tories ... a Left wing nutter leading Labour, and Brexit, but things are very different now. Even most traditional Tory voters want the NHS to be repaired, for our railways to actually work properly, and an end to years of stagnation and decay. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 5, 2024 18:58:42 GMT
By populist I assume you mean mean centre right, which is where the Tories should be. If they stay centrist, as they probably will at least in the short term, then traditional Tory voters will continue to turn to Reform UK, and I'll let you into the worst kept secret at Westminster, behind the scenes the Tories know it. Sorry, but I am afraid that you have very little idea of what "populism" really means At one time the far right of the Conservative party were on the fringes of the party, the best known group was called "The Monday Club", but the populists have grown and grown, and the Tory party is now where Labour was a few years ago, bitterly divided. Centre Right is TRADITIONAL Conservatism, recognisable to Sir Edward Heath, Sir John Major, Harold MacMillan, Nicholas Soames, the grandson of Sir Winston Churchill and many current and recent Conservative MPs. These people would have had nothing to do with culture wars, xenophobia or isolationism, or rejecting the norms of the international rule of law. Most traditional Tories reject Reform UK, and the only reason that Reform UK have had some limited success is because some of their support also comes from disaffected working class, usually Labour voters, the kind of people who will vote for Populism, but will not vote for a more traditional Conservative Party. In 2019 the plannets were well aligned fot the Tories ... a Left wing nutter leading Labour, and Brexit, but things are very different now. Even most traditional Tory voters want the NHS to be repaired, for our railways to actually work properly, and an end to years of stagnation and decay. Except even Labour has no choice but rely on the populists, who said stop pussy footing around and go after the gang leaders and their web. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 5, 2024 19:01:26 GMT
By populist I assume you mean mean centre right, which is where the Tories should be. If they stay centrist, as they probably will at least in the short term, then traditional Tory voters will continue to turn to Reform UK, and I'll let you into the worst kept secret at Westminster, behind the scenes the Tories know it.At one time the far right of the Conservative party were on the fringes of the party, the best known group was called "The Monday Club", but the populists have grown and grown, and the Tory party is now where Labour was a few years ago, bitterly divided. Centre Right is TRADITIONAL Conservatism, recognisable to Sir Edward Heath, Sir John Major, Harold MacMillan, Nicholas Soames, the grandson of Sir Winston Churchill and many current and recent Conservative MPs. These people would have had nothing to do with culture wars, xenophobia or isolationism, or rejecting the norms of the international rule of law. Most traditional Tories reject Reform UK, and the only reason that Reform UK have had some limited success is because some of their support also comes from disaffected working class, usually Labour voters, the kind of people who will vote for Populism, but will not vote for a more traditional Conservative Party. In 2019 the plannets were well aligned fot the Tories ... a Left wing nutter leading Labour, and Brexit, but things are very different now. Even most traditional Tory voters want the NHS to be repaired, for our railways to actually work properly, and an end to years of stagnation and decay. 2T keir is as popular as a fart in a spacesuit.. Fiddles |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 5, 2024 19:05:15 GMT
Sorry, but I am afraid that you have very little idea of what "populism" really meansAt one time the far right of the Conservative party were on the fringes of the party, the best known group was called "The Monday Club", but the populists have grown and grown, and the Tory party is now where Labour was a few years ago, bitterly divided. Centre Right is TRADITIONAL Conservatism, recognisable to Sir Edward Heath, Sir John Major, Harold MacMillan, Nicholas Soames, the grandson of Sir Winston Churchill and many current and recent Conservative MPs. These people would have had nothing to do with culture wars, xenophobia or isolationism, or rejecting the norms of the international rule of law. Most traditional Tories reject Reform UK, and the only reason that Reform UK have had some limited success is because some of their support also comes from disaffected working class, usually Labour voters, the kind of people who will vote for Populism, but will not vote for a more traditional Conservative Party. In 2019 the plannets were well aligned fot the Tories ... a Left wing nutter leading Labour, and Brexit, but things are very different now. Even most traditional Tory voters want the NHS to be repaired, for our railways to actually work properly, and an end to years of stagnation and decay. 2T keir is as popular as a fart in a spacesuit.. Fiddles Just remember Jonsky James pond really does have a license to kill sharks. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 5, 2024 19:09:18 GMT
I'll do better than that, I'll give you an example. Thatcher's government 1979 to 1990. Check out what she did and what she accomplished before replying.You think the Thatcher government was 'hard right'! Incredible. We have never had a hard right or far right government in this country. For Christs sake go back to school. IIRC you are not even aware of the social and economic damage done to this country by the "stocking footed semi-fascist Thatcher. Who would have gone much further but for the H-of-Ls keeping her in some form of check. Your fixed unprovable opinions make you a liar. |
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