ginnyg2
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Don't blame me - I voted for someone else.
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Post by ginnyg2 on Oct 4, 2024 18:16:55 GMT
A specter ^^^ that heralds a sickness for mankind. What the f is a specter? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 5, 2024 1:24:29 GMT
Wokery destroyed the Tories. If Tories move to Reform or even merge, they will be merging all that wokery nonsense and we will be back to the position of "no real choice". Tories opted for wokery, so they should run with it and compete with Labour on who is the woker or the two. Meanwhile Reform should not worry about them. For Reform to succeed they need to put all their mental effort into figuring out the right policies they should run with, and as always the trickiest of the lot is how to make the economy grow. It should not be neglected or passed off with metaphors. Voters always vote with their pockets. If by the next election some bright analyst calculates the top five growing constituencies GDP wise are those run by Reform then that would be cool! The use of the word Wokery, in its many isms, is the cowards, especially Rightists cowards, way of avoiding serious debate. Listen to what Starkey has to say about wokery. He is spot on. Also another good one is the late Roger Scruton. he did a lecture about rights and it was very interesting. He was spot on as well. It's a shame he is not still around as I rate him as one of the most intelligent of contemporary commentators on the subject. There you will find a deep philosophical analysis of the whole idea of rights. It was never how we as a nation traditionally operated. Reform should take guidence from both these two. Starkey is good regarding constitutional history. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 5, 2024 1:46:20 GMT
The use of the word Wokery, in its many isms, is the cowards, especially Rightists cowards, way of avoiding serious debate. But we know what it means. Woke is the reality that one is aware of social injustice and racial discrimination. Wokery is assuming that everything is wrapped up in identity politics and social injustice and must be acted on and defeated at every level. It is a destructive force aligning all with a set of beliefs unvisited in the democratic process except as a vague target of equality for all. Is it Rightist to understand that? It's deconstructionist as well if you have noticed. No one had even told us what the point of it is. Like what is is supposed to achieve and how do we know when that is, or will they just carry on indefinitely in the direction they travel? |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 5, 2024 5:43:38 GMT
Wokery destroyed the Tories. If Tories move to Reform or even merge, they will be merging all that wokery nonsense and we will be back to the position of "no real choice". Tories opted for wokery, so they should run with it and compete with Labour on who is the woker or the two. Meanwhile Reform should not worry about them. For Reform to succeed they need to put all their mental effort into figuring out the right policies they should run with, and as always the trickiest of the lot is how to make the economy grow. It should not be neglected or passed off with metaphors. Voters always vote with their pockets. If by the next election some bright analyst calculates the top five growing constituencies GDP wise are those run by Reform then that would be cool! The use of the word Wokery, in its many isms, is the cowards, especially Rightists cowards, way of avoiding serious debate. Says the poster who waffled absolute rubbish for 16 pages in his own thread and lacked the substance as usual to have "serious debate". |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 5, 2024 8:06:06 GMT
'Reform UK's win in Blackpool by-election will send a shiver down spine of Labour and Conservatives,' says Stephen Pound...... Last Thursday – October 3 - there was a council byelection because of a Labour Councillor, Sarah Smith, being elected as an MP in neighbouring Hyndburn. Hers was a very strong Labour ward and I rather suspect that the local party was confident of retaining the seat. What happened last Thursday may possibly be described as something of an earthquake at the seaside. The Labour vote plummeted down by 23 per cent and the Tories plunged by 18 per cent. Reform UK rose by 29.3 per cent to take the seat comfortably.
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Post by sheepy on Oct 5, 2024 8:09:06 GMT
A bit premature perhaps I hear it was just a local council seat.
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Post by see2 on Oct 5, 2024 10:33:28 GMT
A specter ^^^ that heralds a sickness for mankind. What the f is a specter? An American English version of spectre. i.e. something widely feared as a possible unpleasant or dangerous occurrence. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 5, 2024 10:35:37 GMT
The use of the word Wokery, in its many isms, is the cowards, especially Rightists cowards, way of avoiding serious debate. Says the poster who waffled absolute rubbish for 16 pages in his own thread and lacked the substance as usual to have "serious debate". Why you indulge in obvious lies ^^^, is something you really do need to address. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 5, 2024 10:38:56 GMT
The use of the word Wokery, in its many isms, is the cowards, especially Rightists cowards, way of avoiding serious debate. Listen to what Starkey has to say about wokery. He is spot on. Also another good one is the late Roger Scruton. he did a lecture about rights and it was very interesting. He was spot on as well. It's a shame he is not still around as I rate him as one of the most intelligent of contemporary commentators on the subject. There you will find a deep philosophical analysis of the whole idea of rights. It was never how we as a nation traditionally operated. Reform should take guidence from both these two. Starkey is good regarding constitutional history. Which says nothing about would be debaters hiding behind the overused term 'wokery'. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 5, 2024 10:45:47 GMT
Listen to what Starkey has to say about wokery. He is spot on. Also another good one is the late Roger Scruton. he did a lecture about rights and it was very interesting. He was spot on as well. It's a shame he is not still around as I rate him as one of the most intelligent of contemporary commentators on the subject. There you will find a deep philosophical analysis of the whole idea of rights. It was never how we as a nation traditionally operated. Reform should take guidence from both these two. Starkey is good regarding constitutional history. Which says nothing about would be debaters hiding behind the overused term 'wokery'. I thought you were complaining that the use of this term is lazy and imprecise. It's just a collective term for the type of social politics being rolled out in Britain and America currently. What a word means depends on the brain it is being used by. Sure a lot of minds are very superficial, but one should not conclude that is all there is to it. Anyway, do follow up my suggestions as I think you would find it intellectually rewarding. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 5, 2024 10:58:27 GMT
An American English version of spectre. i.e. something widely feared as a possible unpleasant or dangerous occurrence. We all have those, leftism, wokism, socialism are all spectres haunting those who prefer a much more liberal society predicated on the people of the society and not of the world. If one wants to celebrate the delights of the world one should travel, if one does not it is reasonable to assume that the world should be largely excluded. Unless of course the electorate have voted for the world to come here and it is a certainty that they have not. |
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ginnyg2
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Post by ginnyg2 on Oct 5, 2024 11:13:00 GMT
An American English version of spectre. i.e. something widely feared as a possible unpleasant or dangerous occurrence. What is wrong with the English version? Is English not your first language? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 5, 2024 11:44:52 GMT
An American English version of spectre. i.e. something widely feared as a possible unpleasant or dangerous occurrence. Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 5, 2024 11:59:34 GMT
Good news. Sad for the Tories that they don't seem able to face up to reality yet. I think the Tories attitude towards Reform UK may soften after the local elections in May when Reform wipe out Labour and Tory councils. Whether it's reciprocated by Farage is another matter entirely. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 5, 2024 12:07:10 GMT
The Tories are divided If they go Populist as Liz Truss wants, they lose many thousands of traditional Tory voters in the Conservative heartlands. If they go down the traditional Conservative road, there's no chance of winning back Red Wall seats or working class areas that voted Tory in 2019. In effect they cant win By populist I assume you mean mean centre right, which is where the Tories should be. If they stay centrist, as they probably will at least in the short term, then traditional Tory voters will continue to turn to Reform UK, and I'll let you into the worst kept secret at Westminster, behind the scenes the Tories know it. |
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