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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 13:19:38 GMT
It was handled in a yo-yo fashion - Starmer's head went down, his arse went up, his trousers went down, and the Union's **** went up. LOL..... what a sight. It puts a whole new meaning to puppet on a string.....LOL |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 23, 2024 13:40:36 GMT
This government is just like the last government.
Shit.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2024 13:54:38 GMT
Under the last incompetent government, doctors, nurses and most public sector workers firstly had a pay freeze imposed upon them - Then they were offered pay rises BELOW the rate of inflation. In other words they endured a period of a decline in living standards, hence the reason why we now have staff shortages in our NHS and recruitment problems. Our NHS is in a deplorable state thanks to the last government, our public finances are also in a terrible state, the remedy to fix these problems will ineverteby result in much moaning and complaint from those that caused the problems in the first place. Afaik there is not one poster on this forum that claims the last government was any good . So your Whataboutery argument isn’t going to wash . A shitty previous government is no excuse for a shitty present government and Labour are being judged by what they do or say …now . |
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 23, 2024 19:54:43 GMT
Under the last incompetent government, doctors, nurses and most public sector workers firstly had a pay freeze imposed upon them - Then they were offered pay rises BELOW the rate of inflation. In other words they endured a period of a decline in living standards, hence the reason why we now have staff shortages in our NHS and recruitment problems. Our NHS is in a deplorable state thanks to the last government, our public finances are also in a terrible state, the remedy to fix these problems will ineverteby result in much moaning and complaint from those that caused the problems in the first place. The problem with what you have just posted is that the lack of context gives the impression it can easily be fixed. No mention of what caused the austerity (ie financial crisis), no mention of huge population increase (10 million people), no mention of Covid, and no mention of sky rocketing obesity. Many of it is also factually wrong. Nurses had a couple of years of 1% rises then they had a couple of bumper deals under the "agenda for change" deals. When you read the small print of Nurses pay having not kept up with inflation they are talking about people who sit at the top of band 5 for years. Anybody that wanted to get on would have moved through the bands, and had thousands of pounds worth of free education and training... including free Masters Degrees! The "staff shortages" are not straight forward either. As the population increases the amount of people you need "on paper" increases, the only trouble is, there isn't the money to recruit... it is these extra vacancies that are unfilled. Which bring us to why is there such a shortfall in the public finances, because the 7 million migrants "put in more than they take out" right? That narrative is actually complete bullshit. Sure a migrant pays tax from day one, but they are also using the infrastructure and public services from day one so in reality they start off at around -£150,000. That is why SENSIBLE countries only take YOUNG, HIGHLY QUALIFIED people, because that that way they will soon become a net contributor... not a fucking unskilled leech on minimum wage that will never be net contributor! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 21:38:54 GMT
As far as I can see, the NHS seems to be ticking over easily enough, the economy is doing so well that tens of thousands of foreigners are desperate to risk life and limb to get here, the politicians are no more corrupt than usual and one way and another things seem pretty good. So what is your take on the matter ? Actually, in the real world most of us live in, the country is falling apart. Nothing works anymore. The NHS is on it's knees, GPs seem to work when they feel like it, the roads have more holes in them than Swiss cheese, NHS dentistry barely exists anymore, even the grass barely ever gets cut now. And we are all paying more taxes than ever before and getting less for it than ever before. And no one wonders why, instead believing any old shit that presses their buttons. We have become a nation of asses and donkeys run by crooks and shysters, with most people too stupid to actually see what is really going on here. A nation of useful idiots. But if you think everything is just fine and dandy because you are okay, I guess that is okay then. Clearly you can afford to do without your winter fuel allowance, which is indeed fortunate isnt it? |
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 23, 2024 23:06:50 GMT
As far as I can see, the NHS seems to be ticking over easily enough, the economy is doing so well that tens of thousands of foreigners are desperate to risk life and limb to get here, the politicians are no more corrupt than usual and one way and another things seem pretty good. So what is your take on the matter ? Actually, in the real world most of us live in, the country is falling apart. Nothing works anymore. The NHS is on it's knees, GPs seem to work when they feel like it, the roads have more holes in them than Swiss cheese, NHS dentistry barely exists anymore, even the grass barely ever gets cut now. And we are all paying more taxes than ever before and getting less for it than ever before. And no one wonders why, instead believing any old shit that presses their buttons. We have become a nation of asses and donkeys run by crooks and shysters, with most people too stupid to actually see what is really going on here. A nation of useful idiots. But if you think everything is just fine and dandy because you are okay, I guess that is okay then. Clearly you can afford to do without your winter fuel allowance, which is indeed fortunate isnt it? Let me understand this, you think "nothing works anymore" because the government is siphoning off huge chunks of money? Everything should start working again now Labour are in power then, right? lol. Leaving aside the fact that every penny the government spends is scrutinised, and our justice system is independent so would be free to go after such widespread fraud... I'm afraid you too are a useful idiot, because you believe that Tory austerity, 14 years of mismanagement, Liz Truss's budget are responsible for all our woes. So you don't think there are massive structural problems with our economy? What about the 10 million extra people, aging population, obesity epidemic, a population that believes they are highly taxed when actually our tax burden is the lowest in the West? This is the depressing part... Labour have at least 10 years in power now, they could be honest and make a start on these structural problems, but they are still bleating bollocks about what the Tories did. To be fair to Starmer he is having a crack at the aging population problem by freezing some to death, and killing the rest off 6 months early via assisted dying lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 23:28:10 GMT
Actually, in the real world most of us live in, the country is falling apart. Nothing works anymore. The NHS is on it's knees, GPs seem to work when they feel like it, the roads have more holes in them than Swiss cheese, NHS dentistry barely exists anymore, even the grass barely ever gets cut now. And we are all paying more taxes than ever before and getting less for it than ever before. And no one wonders why, instead believing any old shit that presses their buttons. We have become a nation of asses and donkeys run by crooks and shysters, with most people too stupid to actually see what is really going on here. A nation of useful idiots. But if you think everything is just fine and dandy because you are okay, I guess that is okay then. Clearly you can afford to do without your winter fuel allowance, which is indeed fortunate isnt it? lol. Leaving aside the fact that every penny the government spends is scrutinised, and our justice system is independent so would be free to go after such widespread fraud... I'm afraid you too are a useful idiot, because you believe that Tory austerity, 14 years of mismanagement, Liz Truss's budget are responsible for all our woes. So you don't think there are massive structural problems with our economy? What about the 10 million extra people, aging population, obesity epidemic, a population that believes they are highly taxed when actually our tax burden is the lowest in the West? This is the depressing part... Labour have at least 10 years in power now, they could be honest and make a start on these structural problems, but they are still bleating bollocks about what the Tories did. To be fair to Starmer he is having a crack at the aging population problem by freezing some to death, and killing the rest off 6 months early via assisted dying lol. Wrong, Labour is just the other cheek of the same arse. Anything has got to be an improvement on the atrocious Tories but I am not certain even of that. I will see what transpires in the months ahead. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 23:59:33 GMT
Let me understand this, you think "nothing works anymore" because the government is siphoning off huge chunks of money? Everything should start working again now Labour are in power then, right? lol. Leaving aside the fact that every penny the government spends is scrutinised, and our justice system is independent so would be free to go after such widespread fraud... I'm afraid you too are a useful idiot, because you believe that Tory austerity, 14 years of mismanagement, Liz Truss's budget are responsible for all our woes. So you don't think there are massive structural problems with our economy? What about the 10 million extra people, aging population, obesity epidemic, a population that believes they are highly taxed when actually our tax burden is the lowest in the West? This is the depressing part... Labour have at least 10 years in power now, they could be honest and make a start on these structural problems, but they are still bleating bollocks about what the Tories did. To be fair to Starmer he is having a crack at the aging population problem by freezing some to death, and killing the rest off 6 months early via assisted dying lol. . Anything has got to be an improvement on the atrocious Tories but I am not certain even of that. I will see what transpires in the months ahead. Labour are the cheek that is covered in gold and milking it for all it's worth.. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2024 0:34:55 GMT
Labour have just been voted in. Surely those who voted them in must be delighted with all this hard left conference excitement. The idea of bankrupting the UK must surely be something all those Labour voters had only been able to dream of for decades, and relish such a prospect possibly becoming reality...... RMT boss Mick 'the grinch' Lynch vows to 'seize control' of the UK economy: Militant chief demands unions in 'every workplace' in hard-Left rant now his Labour 'friends' are in power..... Unions barons have vowed to seize control of the economy now that their Labour ‘friends’ are in power. Militant RMT boss Mick Lynch said the ‘prize’ union chiefs wanted was ‘the complete organisation of the UK economy by trade unions’. It comes as Labour’s first party conference back in power saw unions flex their muscles, forcing an embarrassing vote on reversing plans to axe winter fuel payments for 10 million pensioners. And Chancellor Rachel Reeves was left red-faced after the Royal College of Nursing overshadowed her keynote speech by announcing it was rejecting the Government’s 5.5 per cent pay hike offer. During a hard-Left rant which will alarm employers, Mr Lynch called for a sweeping expansion of union powers which would make it easier to shut down industries if their demands are not met. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13883375/RMT-boss-UK-economy-Keir-Starmer-urged-expansion-trade-union-powers.html
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 24, 2024 17:04:33 GMT
Not a lot of good feeling in the country - even Labour supporters dont think this shower are going to make things better..
Just among Labour voters
Optimistic: 37%
Pessimistic: 51%
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2024 19:30:17 GMT
Not a lot of good feeling in the country - even Labour supporters dont think this shower are going to make things better..
Just among Labour voters
Optimistic: 37%
Pessimistic: 51%
I still have hopes and am encouraged by the fact that they cannot possibly be worse that the Tories. But my hopes are not matched by my expectations. Labour seeks to keep onside the vested interests who could make trouble for them otherwise. And these vested interest are way too invested in the status quo to ever sign up to real change unless they can make money out of it. |
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Post by Ripley on Sept 25, 2024 0:40:30 GMT
Actually, in the real world most of us live in, the country is falling apart. Nothing works anymore. The NHS is on it's knees, GPs seem to work when they feel like it, the roads have more holes in them than Swiss cheese, NHS dentistry barely exists anymore, even the grass barely ever gets cut now. And we are all paying more taxes than ever before and getting less for it than ever before. And no one wonders why, instead believing any old shit that presses their buttons. We have become a nation of asses and donkeys run by crooks and shysters, with most people too stupid to actually see what is really going on here. A nation of useful idiots. But if you think everything is just fine and dandy because you are okay, I guess that is okay then. Clearly you can afford to do without your winter fuel allowance, which is indeed fortunate isnt it? Let me understand this, you think "nothing works anymore" because the government is siphoning off huge chunks of money? Everything should start working again now Labour are in power then, right? lol. Leaving aside the fact that every penny the government spends is scrutinised, and our justice system is independent so would be free to go after such widespread fraud... I'm afraid you too are a useful idiot, because you believe that Tory austerity, 14 years of mismanagement, Liz Truss's budget are responsible for all our woes. So you don't think there are massive structural problems with our economy? What about the 10 million extra people, aging population, obesity epidemic, a population that believes they are highly taxed when actually our tax burden is the lowest in the West?This is the depressing part... Labour have at least 10 years in power now, they could be honest and make a start on these structural problems, but they are still bleating bollocks about what the Tories did. To be fair to Starmer he is having a crack at the aging population problem by freezing some to death, and killing the rest off 6 months early via assisted dying lol. It's one of the lowest in the West, but not the lowest. Per the 2021 figures, Ireland's is better by far, at 19.9% to the UK's 35.8%, which is forecast to rise to a postwar high in the next couple of years. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 25, 2024 11:35:24 GMT
I still have hopes and am encouraged by the fact that they cannot possibly be worse that the Tories... They already are. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2024 12:00:43 GMT
I still have hopes and am encouraged by the fact that they cannot possibly be worse that the Tories... They already are. Not yet they aren't unless you happen to be a pensioner not on pension credit. The rest of us are still awaiting October to see what shit might come our way. They need enough time to prove themselves or enough rope to hang themselves. I anticipate much to criticise in the fullness of time but hope for some improvements in some things. My confidence in these hopes being realised is not great, but time will tell. I will be fair as I view it from my perspective, supporting anything they do which I agree with and criticising anything they do which I dont |
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Post by Dogburger on Sept 25, 2024 12:18:57 GMT
Not yet they aren't unless you happen to be a pensioner not on pension credit. The rest of us are still awaiting October to see what shit might come our way. They need enough time to prove themselves or enough rope to hang themselves. I anticipate much to criticise in the fullness of time but hope for some improvements in some things. My confidence in these hopes being realised is not great, but time will tell. I will be fair as I view it from my perspective, supporting anything they do which I agree with and criticising anything they do which I dont Well that's me and I'm not expecting anything to get any better come the budget . Labour are a dour lot and will tax anything we enjoy doing ,anything we have saved and anything we own . The chink of light is the unions turning on them this morning so there may be a partial reversal on the winter fuel allowance . I wasn't expecting much from labour but then I never expected much from the tories either, both will rob you blind if you let them . Which I guess is the secret of keeping a smile on your face , you don't let them . |
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