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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 2:29:58 GMT
Under the last incompetent government, doctors, nurses and most public sector workers firstly had a pay freeze imposed upon them - Then they were offered pay rises BELOW the rate of inflation.In other words they endured a period of a decline in living standards, hence the reason why we now have staff shortages in our NHS and recruitment problems. Our NHS is in a deplorable state thanks to the last government, our public finances are also in a terrible state, the remedy to fix these problems will ineverteby result in much moaning and complaint from those that caused the problems in the first place. Under the last government fiddles the majority of the arsehole were WFH....And the state of our NHS is more to do with the bad top heavy NHS magement along with their diversity bullshit... |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 23, 2024 2:35:30 GMT
Can you point out which bit contradicts what I said?
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 2:38:34 GMT
Can you point out which bit contradicts what I said? I wish you would post who you are reffering too andrea... |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 23, 2024 4:00:44 GMT
Can you point out which bit contradicts what I said? I wish you would post who you are reffering too andrea... You claimed that I was incorrect and posted a statement from RMT. There's nothing in that statement that contradicts what I said, hence I'M asking YOU what you are referring to. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 4:27:11 GMT
I wish you would post who you are reffering too andrea... You claimed that I was incorrect and posted a statement from RMT. There's nothing in that statement that contradicts what I said, hence I'M asking YOU what you are referring to. You are wrong. The tories never promised the same amount to the train drivers or did they say they would rob the pensioners to subsidise it...If they had you and the other lefty luvvies would still be beying at the moon over such theft. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 23, 2024 6:08:34 GMT
Well apart from borrowing debt has now reached 100% of UK output and they are about to tax even more out of existence with a crippling cost of living crisis and hitting the poorest hardest it's all good.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 6:18:06 GMT
Well apart from borrowing debt has now reached 100% of UK output and they are about to tax even more out of existence with a crippling cost of living crisis and hitting the poorest hardest it's all good. We have the lefty luvvies harping on about the crisis within the NHS. We still have a huge backlog of cases awaiting trearment that fell behind whilst they were handling chinese monkey pox. And got only knows how many died during the pandemic of cancer etc that were negletted. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 23, 2024 6:46:38 GMT
You claimed that I was incorrect and posted a statement from RMT. There's nothing in that statement that contradicts what I said, hence I'M asking YOU what you are referring to. You are wrong. The tories never promised the same amount to the train drivers or did they say they would rob the pensioners to subsidise it...If they had you and the other lefty luvvies would still be beying at the moon over such theft. Where does it say that in the article you quoted? Having reading trouble again... |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 23, 2024 7:01:35 GMT
Well that wasn't the same either - the Tories were insisting that any wage rise was contingent on changes to working practices. Labour dropped all reforms to working practices and just agreed to pay more. Hence the £22 Billion 'Black hole' As I said, they offered the same money. That was my point. I agree that Labour dropped the reforms, hence why the deal was accepted. Well it wasn't the same increase because it was going to be paid for in part by efficiency savings - Labour just loaded the entire cost onto the taxpayer. The Tory pay offer would have cost the Government a lot less. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 23, 2024 7:04:46 GMT
Under the last incompetent government, doctors, nurses and most public sector workers firstly had a pay freeze imposed upon them - Then they were offered pay rises BELOW the rate of inflation. In other words they endured a period of a decline in living standards, hence the reason why we now have staff shortages in our NHS and recruitment problems.Our NHS is in a deplorable state thanks to the last government, our public finances are also in a terrible state, the remedy to fix these problems will ineverteby result in much moaning and complaint from those that caused the problems in the first place. In 1999, the population was 58m with 1m NHS staff. In 2023, the population is 68m with 1.8m NHS staff. The population has risen 15% but NHS staff numbers have risen 80%. What on earth are they all doing? |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 7:14:11 GMT
You are wrong. The tories never promised the same amount to the train drivers or did they say they would rob the pensioners to subsidise it...If they had you and the other lefty luvvies would still be beying at the moon over such theft. Where does it say that in the article you quoted? Having reading trouble again... No problem with my reading andrea. Where is your link proving the tories were going to give the train drivers this masive hike in their wages and paid by the tax payers? My link to RMT stated the rise would have been paid for by efficiency savings it seems you are the one lacking in reading skills.. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 23, 2024 7:41:23 GMT
Where does it say that in the article you quoted? Having reading trouble again... No problem with my reading andrea. Where is your link proving the tories were going to give the train drivers this masive hike in their wages and paid by the tax payers? My link to RMT stated the rise would have been paid for by efficiency savings it seems you are the one lacking in reading skills.. So you admit that the cost was the same? Thank you. That was my point. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 7:42:22 GMT
No problem with my reading andrea. Where is your link proving the tories were going to give the train drivers this masive hike in their wages and paid by the tax payers? My link to RMT stated the rise would have been paid for by efficiency savings it seems you are the one lacking in reading skills.. So you admit that the cost was the same? Thank you. That was my point. The cost would not have been the same FFS. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 23, 2024 7:46:00 GMT
Under the last incompetent government, doctors, nurses and most public sector workers firstly had a pay freeze imposed upon them - Then they were offered pay rises BELOW the rate of inflation. In other words they endured a period of a decline in living standards, hence the reason why we now have staff shortages in our NHS and recruitment problems.Our NHS is in a deplorable state thanks to the last government, our public finances are also in a terrible state, the remedy to fix these problems will ineverteby result in much moaning and complaint from those that caused the problems in the first place. In 1999, the population was 58m with 1m NHS staff. In 2023, the population is 68m with 1.8m NHS staff. The population has risen 15% but NHS staff numbers have risen 80%. What on earth are they all doing? Not reducing waiting lists and obviously by the amount claiming sickness benefit or whatever they call it making the country healthier either. Something doesn't actually add up with the spiralling costs but lack of a real NHS |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 7:51:30 GMT
No rats to be smelt here of course....As soon as any MP or party accepts donations from wealthy individuals or organisations they are compromised.No one gives large amounts of money away without wanting something in return. Labour MP took £4,000 donation from Britain's biggest train drivers' union... months before his department offered workers a pay rise.... A Labour MP and ministerial aide accepted a £4,000 donation from Britain's biggest train drivers' union – just months before his department offered it an inflation-busting pay rise. Liam Conlon, who is the son of Sir Keir Starmer's chief of staff Sue Gray, received the donation from Aslef. Last month he was appointed a parliamentary private secretary – or ministerial aide – to the Department for Transport. On Friday the Aslef union announced a wave of fresh strikes – less than 48 hours after it was offered a pay deal that would boost the average driver's salary by 14 per cent to £69,000. The newly elected MP for Beckenham and Penge declared the £4,000 donation in his MP register of interests, which was published last week. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13753867/Labour-MP-took-4-000-donation-Britains-biggest-train-drivers-union-months-department-offered-workers-pay-rise.html |
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