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Post by Pacifico on Sept 12, 2024 16:13:53 GMT
Wealth taxes have not worked in every other country that has tried them - why do you think the UK would do better? Well that is just plain wrong. Spain, Norway and Switzerland levy wealth taxes on all assets; all three score higher than the UK on OECD "quality if life" rankings. France, Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands all levy wealth taxes on SOME assets; all of those score higher on OECD "quality of life" rankings. Anything else you want to be, almost certainly deliberately, wrong about? All The Best Now that is bullshit. Quality of life measurements have absolutely nothing to do with whether a specific tax raises anything worthwhile. For instance you mention Spain, their introduction of a wealth tax in 2022 raised €632m, a pathetic amount as wealthy people had reacted by leaving the country or rearranging their business affairs to minimise any tax liability. France's wealth tax was scrapped in 2018 and replaced with a property tax. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 12, 2024 16:17:58 GMT
If you was P.M or a minister or Government Would you stop winter Allowance for 10 million pensioners Or Tax the Richest 1% in the Country a 1% increase To cover the 22bn black hole left by the Tory government Starmer has given away £11.6 billion to "tackle climate change in developing countries". He has committed to giving away £7.2 billion in foreign aid which includes £41.5 million to Pakistan a country with a space programme, nuclear weapons and a huge army. Since 2016 the UK has given India £2.3 billion in financial aid another country with a space programme, nuclear weapons and a huge army. Incredibly UK foreign aid to China, the second largest economy in the world, is £48 million this year, down from £82 million in 2022. The list goes on, and on. MP's awarded themselves £4,400 a year to heat their second homes. That's £366 a month, every month for every MP who just voted to scrap old age pensioners winter fuel payment. Even though Starmer is giving away our money by the truck load, he claims the government cant afford to pay old age pensioners an annual payment of £300. Last winter 4,500 old age pensioners deaths were directly attributed to being cold. This Labour government are morally bankrupt. Don't waffle on about a fantasy £22 billion black hole when Starmer is giving away £billions to other countries in order to look virtuous on a global stage. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 12, 2024 20:15:48 GMT
Pacifico This chap seems to know a lot about tax, and is on the internet today saying something very similar.  This is because the Left have no idea how to run an economy. They create loads of problems and their only response is to keep raising taxes, murder the old, import slave Labour and alienate anyone successful. The Hamas supporting Communists for Starmer on here are the perfect example of their stupidity.
The ONLY time the UK has had to go to the IMF for a bailout was during the 1976 Sterling Crisis, which was a direct result of Anthony Barber's 1972 Budget, which led to the so called "Barber Boom", and which caused a wage-price spiral and high inflation; leading to the need to introduce Anti-Inflation and Wage Review Boards. Barber wasa Conservative Chancellor Like all Conservatives he knew the cost of everything but the value of nothing. After Fourteen years of Conservative rule our economy is in as perilous a place as it has been since WWII. The notion that the Tories are the party of economic competence and stability has been well and truly nailed in its coffin. The ONLY way the Tories are slightly more competent than Labour is that the Tories always manage to engineer themselves into opposition just their economic chickens come home to roost, and then are able to fool useful idiots into thinking Labour are the problem. As proven by the post I am responding to. All The Best |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 12, 2024 20:19:03 GMT
Interesting that we give thirteen times as much money to nations with nuclear programmes and space programmes as 'foreign aid' than will be 'saved' by targetting the grey vote I have long argued we should not be subsidising any nation with a Nuclear or Space program. But we all know why that money is sent, so they can use it to buy stuff from UK PLC and make it look like UK PLC is actually doing a goof job. Buying our stuff, with our own money by proxy, is not indicative that UK PLC is actually doing a good job, in fact it is indicative of the opposite. All The Best Indeed The other point of course is that significant sums end up in a despot's slush fund |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 12, 2024 20:19:04 GMT
This is because the Left have no idea how to run an economy. They create loads of problems and their only response is to keep raising taxes, murder the old, import slave Labour and alienate anyone successful. The Hamas supporting Communists for Starmer on here are the perfect example of their stupidity.
The ONLY time the UK has had to go to the IMF for a bailout was during the 1976 Sterling Crisis, which was a direct result of Anthony Barber's 1972 Budget, which led to the so called "Barber Boom", and which caused a wage-price spiral and high inflation; leading to the need to introduce Anti-Inflation and Wage Review Boards. Barber wasa Conservative Chancellor Like all Conservatives he knew the cost of everything but the value of nothing. After Fourteen years of Conservative rule our economy is in as perilous a place as it has been since WWII. The notion that the Tories are the party of economic competence and stability has been well and truly nailed in its coffin. The ONLY way the Tories are slightly more competent than Labour is that the Tories always manage to engineer themselves into opposition just their economic chickens come home to roost, and then are able to fool useful idiots into thinking Labour are the problem. As proven by the post I am responding to. All The Best As far as I can se no one has said the Tories have been anything but useless and incompetent, the point as always is that Labour will be even more useless and probably incompetent than the Tories and that is pretty tough opposition. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 12, 2024 20:26:49 GMT
The ONLY time the UK has had to go to the IMF for a bailout was during the 1976 Sterling Crisis, which was a direct result of Anthony Barber's 1972 Budget, which led to the so called "Barber Boom", and which caused a wage-price spiral and high inflation; leading to the need to introduce Anti-Inflation and Wage Review Boards. Barber wasa Conservative Chancellor Like all Conservatives he knew the cost of everything but the value of nothing. After Fourteen years of Conservative rule our economy is in as perilous a place as it has been since WWII. The notion that the Tories are the party of economic competence and stability has been well and truly nailed in its coffin. The ONLY way the Tories are slightly more competent than Labour is that the Tories always manage to engineer themselves into opposition just their economic chickens come home to roost, and then are able to fool useful idiots into thinking Labour are the problem. As proven by the post I am responding to. All The Best As far as I can se no one has said the Tories have been anything but useless and incompetent, the point as always is that Labour will be even more useless and probably incompetent than the Tories and that is pretty tough opposition. Indeed . This is why the lefties attempts at Whataboutery to mitigate Labours decisions does not work. They just don’t realise it . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 12, 2024 23:16:29 GMT
The ONLY time the UK has had to go to the IMF for a bailout was during the 1976 Sterling Crisis, which was a direct result of Anthony Barber's 1972 Budget, which led to the so called "Barber Boom", and which caused a wage-price spiral and high inflation; leading to the need to introduce Anti-Inflation and Wage Review Boards. Barber wasa Conservative Chancellor Like all Conservatives he knew the cost of everything but the value of nothing. After Fourteen years of Conservative rule our economy is in as perilous a place as it has been since WWII. The notion that the Tories are the party of economic competence and stability has been well and truly nailed in its coffin. The ONLY way the Tories are slightly more competent than Labour is that the Tories always manage to engineer themselves into opposition just their economic chickens come home to roost, and then are able to fool useful idiots into thinking Labour are the problem. As proven by the post I am responding to. All The Best As far as I can se no one has said the Tories have been anything but useless and incompetent, the point as always is that Labour will be even more useless and probably incompetent than the Tories and that is pretty tough opposition. Is there any evidence to support this claim? Saying "as always" and then providing not one single example of Labour being as bad as the Tories have been kind of suggests you know you are talking rubbish; and lets face it we both know you ARE talking rubbish. You say "as always"; but when have Labour ever been this disastrous for the economy? Even New Labour left the incoming Tories more wriggle-room than the Tories have left Starmer's Labour. I know New Labour didn't do a great job with the economy, especially in the fall-out of the global financial crisis where they should have been way, way better prepared given the strength of the economy in years immediately prior to the crisis; but based on the last 14 years of Tory economic incompetence New Labour's old record is looking positively glowing. Has any Labour Chancellor ever had the kind of negative economic impact that Truss' disastrous tenure as PM, and Kwarteng's even more disastrous tenure as Chancellor had? The last 14 years, and the last 4 years especially, have been a text-book example of Economic Incompetence, and Political Arrogance the like of which this country has never seen before. All The Best |
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 13, 2024 6:27:53 GMT
As far as I can se no one has said the Tories have been anything but useless and incompetent, the point as always is that Labour will be even more useless and probably incompetent than the Tories and that is pretty tough opposition. Indeed . This is why the lefties attempts at Whataboutery to mitigate Labours decisions does not work. They just don’t realise it . Which is why I find it's best ignored, since all you get from these lefties is "duh, but tories... duh" in every topic that exposes the Labour party. It's basically a non-response. It may work on their thick supporters, but who here voted Tory and more importantly, who here voted Tory expecting a Conservative government? I would have offered him a peanut out of pity if he at least tried to be original, which is probably an act of blasphemy amongst collectivist circles. Anyway, life goes on...
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 13, 2024 7:04:00 GMT
As far as I can se no one has said the Tories have been anything but useless and incompetent, the point as always is that Labour will be even more useless and probably incompetent than the Tories and that is pretty tough opposition. Is there any evidence to support this claim? Saying "as always" and then providing not one single example of Labour being as bad as the Tories have been kind of suggests you know you are talking rubbish; and lets face it we both know you ARE talking rubbish. You say "as always"; but when have Labour ever been this disastrous for the economy? Even New Labour left the incoming Tories more wriggle-room than the Tories have left Starmer's Labour. I know New Labour didn't do a great job with the economy, especially in the fall-out of the global financial crisis where they should have been way, way better prepared given the strength of the economy in years immediately prior to the crisis; but based on the last 14 years of Tory economic incompetence New Labour's old record is looking positively glowing. Has any Labour Chancellor ever had the kind of negative economic impact that Truss' disastrous tenure as PM, and Kwarteng's even more disastrous tenure as Chancellor had? The last 14 years, and the last 4 years especially, have been a text-book example of Economic Incompetence, and Political Arrogance the like of which this country has never seen before. All The Best LOL - still trying to polish a turd..   |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 13, 2024 7:15:19 GMT
As far as I can se no one has said the Tories have been anything but useless and incompetent, the point as always is that Labour will be even more useless and probably incompetent than the Tories and that is pretty tough opposition. Is there any evidence to support this claim? Saying "as always" and then providing not one single example of Labour being as bad as the Tories have been kind of suggests you know you are talking rubbish; and lets face it we both know you ARE talking rubbish. You say "as always"; but when have Labour ever been this disastrous for the economy? Even New Labour left the incoming Tories more wriggle-room than the Tories have left Starmer's Labour. I know New Labour didn't do a great job with the economy, especially in the fall-out of the global financial crisis where they should have been way, way better prepared given the strength of the economy in years immediately prior to the crisis; but based on the last 14 years of Tory economic incompetence New Labour's old record is looking positively glowing. Has any Labour Chancellor ever had the kind of negative economic impact that Truss' disastrous tenure as PM, and Kwarteng's even more disastrous tenure as Chancellor had? The last 14 years, and the last 4 years especially, have been a text-book example of Economic Incompetence, and Political Arrogance the like of which this country has never seen before. All The Best 'As always' means as always the point of any comment which is not to support the Tories as a comparison with Labour. Examples have been quoted often. The whole of Wales is one lauded by Starmer as some sort of blue print for this Labour government. Which of course is bang up to date and not something to emulate. Councils are going bankrupt and in the main it is Labour Councils. If we go back to the last Labour government we have the 'no money left ' note and at least one Ministry being declared not fit for purpose. It is the legacy of NewLabour that caused the main problems in the first instance, the free movement, the immigration influx to keep GDP rising and the storing up of financial, demographic, foreign and societal problems passed on to the Tories. The fact the Tories were incompetent and useless does not remove the fact of from whence all the problems arose. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 13, 2024 7:22:58 GMT
'It is the legacy of NewLabour that caused the main problems in the first instance'
It's amazing how many of our problems can be traced back to that era - the current crisis in GP's has a direct route back to the GP contract that Blair signed and the shortage of Doctors can be traced back to the Government in 2008 going along with the health unions and restricting training places so as to keep salaries high.
And that is before we get on to immigration......
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 13, 2024 9:10:30 GMT
Starmer will be blame anyone or anything on the NHS other than the real problem, it can't cope with the influx of illegals, along with housing shortages, crime... so on and so on... and things can only get worse .. can only get worse..
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Post by Totheleft on Sept 13, 2024 9:57:45 GMT
Starmer will be blame anyone or anything on the NHS other than the real problem, it can't cope with the influx of illegals, along with housing shortages, crime... so on and so on... and things can only get worse .. can only get worse.. Illegals under the Tories i must add and post Brecon |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 13, 2024 10:10:17 GMT
Starmer will be blame anyone or anything on the NHS other than the real problem, it can't cope with the influx of illegals, along with housing shortages, crime... so on and so on... and things can only get worse .. can only get worse.. Illegals under the Tories i must add and post Brecon what are you on about afterbirth? |
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Post by Totheleft on Sept 13, 2024 12:13:30 GMT
Illegals under the Tories i must add and post Brecon what are you on about afterbirth? Lol good name. |
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