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Post by Vinny on Sept 10, 2024 11:39:15 GMT
Ask Blix why he was still looking for WMD in Iraq right up to days before the invasion. The Dossiers had nothing to do with the decision by Parliament, Blair stated in his address to Parliament that his information on WMD in Iraq came straight from his Intelligence advisors. Its really sad when Rightists believe only what they want to believe. It was the strength of that intelligence that was the issue Mr Howard believes Mr Blair lied. He told Breakfast with Frost: "The intelligence that he had, as we know from the Butler report... was limited sporadic and patchy. When Mr Blair came to report that to the country, he said he had intelligence that was extensive, detailed and authoritative. Maybe you can reconcile those two different sets of words. I can't. I think that portraying the intelligence in that way was untrue." Exactly, and whilst real human rights catastrophes took place, in Chechnya, West Papua, Sudan and many other parts of the world, Blair did nothing about them and went into a foolish and unnecessary war against a contained dictatorship in Iraq. It is illegal to invade another country for the purpose of regime change, unless that country has already invaded yours and it's self defence. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 10, 2024 12:16:46 GMT
Ask Blix why he was still looking for WMD in Iraq right up to days before the invasion. The Dossiers had nothing to do with the decision by Parliament, Blair stated in his address to Parliament that his information on WMD in Iraq came straight from his Intelligence advisors. Its really sad when Rightists believe only what they want to believe. all debunked by the Iraq Enquiry NONSENSE ^^ |
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Post by see2 on Sept 10, 2024 12:23:28 GMT
Ask Blix why he was still looking for WMD in Iraq right up to days before the invasion. The Dossiers had nothing to do with the decision by Parliament, Blair stated in his address to Parliament that his information on WMD in Iraq came straight from his Intelligence advisors. Its really sad when Rightists believe only what they want to believe. It was the strength of that intelligence that was the issue Mr Howard believes Mr Blair lied. He told Breakfast with Frost: "The intelligence that he had, as we know from the Butler report... was limited sporadic and patchy. When Mr Blair came to report that to the country, he said he had intelligence that was extensive, detailed and authoritative. Maybe you can reconcile those two different sets of words. I can't. I think that portraying the intelligence in that way was untrue." The Intelligence Agency that advised Blair on WMD in Iraq stated in a newspaper release in 2004 that they "GOT IT WRONG ON WMD IN IRAQ"!!! A comment straight from the horses mouth, so if you have a dispute about it you have it with the Intelligence Agency, not with me nor with Blair. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 10, 2024 12:37:53 GMT
It was the strength of that intelligence that was the issue Mr Howard believes Mr Blair lied. He told Breakfast with Frost: "The intelligence that he had, as we know from the Butler report... was limited sporadic and patchy. When Mr Blair came to report that to the country, he said he had intelligence that was extensive, detailed and authoritative. Maybe you can reconcile those two different sets of words. I can't. I think that portraying the intelligence in that way was untrue." It is illegal to invade another country for the purpose of regime change, unless that country has already invaded yours and it's self defence. Iraq was invaded because it was necessary to make sure that Saddam had abided by the conditions of the Ceasefire agreement and the conditions laid down by the UN Security Counsel. Which included Saddam's full and pro-active cooperation with the UN inspectors, something that never took place at any time between 1991 and and 2003. Stating a fact that is irrelevant in this situation is dishonest. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 10, 2024 12:39:46 GMT
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Post by see2 on Sept 10, 2024 12:42:02 GMT
  Scum, both of them. In your nasty distorted inability to think straight. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 10, 2024 12:52:33 GMT
Blair had access not only to the media, but to SIS (aka MI6). It was known even in 2000, that a bomb attack had been foiled in Ryazan (it had been in all the Russian papers and on Russian TV). Putin even said after the foiled Ryazan bombing “We will pursue them everywhere. Excuse me for saying so: We’ll catch them in the toilet. We’ll wipe them out in the outhouse.” But when the suspected bombers were caught, they produced FSB ID's and suddenly the Ryazan bombing was declared a "training exercise". Blair had access to SIS. They knew, as did our media, the Ryazan bomb was real. And the FSB were behind it. The bombings which caused the Second Chechen war, were not the work of the Chechens.
As SIS knew, Blair knew.
That he still feted Putin, invited him to the UK and called him "impressive", that he supported Putin, that he did an energy deal with Putin?
SCUM.
Genocide took place at Katyr Yurt.
Children were killed with indiscriminate bombing by the Russian military in what refugees were told was a "safe corridor".
Blair knew.
Blair did not speak out.
Blair = SCUM.
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Post by see2 on Sept 10, 2024 13:28:04 GMT
Intelligent people take an objective approach to situations, those that don't are poisonous SCUM, spreading their own poisonous BIAS. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 10, 2024 14:15:31 GMT
It was the strength of that intelligence that was the issue Mr Howard believes Mr Blair lied. He told Breakfast with Frost: "The intelligence that he had, as we know from the Butler report... was limited sporadic and patchy. When Mr Blair came to report that to the country, he said he had intelligence that was extensive, detailed and authoritative. Maybe you can reconcile those two different sets of words. I can't. I think that portraying the intelligence in that way was untrue." The Intelligence Agency that advised Blair on WMD in Iraq stated in a newspaper release in 2004 that they "GOT IT WRONG ON WMD IN IRAQ"!!! A comment straight from the horses mouth, so if you have a dispute about it you have it with the Intelligence Agency, not with me nor with Blair. So, that does not alter Howard's belief that Blair made more of the sporadic and patchy information he had. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 10, 2024 15:27:07 GMT
all debunked by the Iraq Enquiry NONSENSE ^^
'But the Chilcot report concludes: “The assessed intelligence had not established beyond doubt that Saddam Hussein had continued to produce chemical and biological weapons.”'
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/06/mi6-stood-by-bogus-intelligence-until-after-iraq-invasion
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Post by see2 on Sept 11, 2024 12:12:19 GMT
The Intelligence Agency that advised Blair on WMD in Iraq stated in a newspaper release in 2004 that they "GOT IT WRONG ON WMD IN IRAQ"!!! A comment straight from the horses mouth, so if you have a dispute about it you have it with the Intelligence Agency, not with me nor with Blair. So, that does not alter Howard's belief that Blair made more of the sporadic and patchy information he had. Howard's belief is just his unproven opinion. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 11, 2024 12:30:57 GMT
"The faulty intelligence from MI6 was compounded by Tony Blair who hardened up the information when he wrote the foreword to the so-called “dodgy dossier” in September 2002. Chilcot concluded that Blair presented the assessments of the spy agencies to parliament with a “certainty” not justified by available intelligence."
'But the Chilcot report concludes: “The assessed intelligence had not established beyond doubt that Saddam Hussein had continued to produce chemical and biological weapons.”'
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/06/mi6-stood-by-bogus-intelligence-until-after-iraq-invasion
Blair was not a weapons inspector nor was he a member of any intelligence agency, nor if my memory is correct did he ever visit Iraq. He had to rely upon the advice given to him by his advisors in the Intelligence Agency. From your Guardian website. -- "The incident is just one of a series of blunders described by the Chilcot report committed by Britain’s overseas spy agency, the Secret Intelligence Service, also known as MI6, in the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq." -- i.e. Blair's advisors? I watched the Chilcot report, I saw Chilcot as a dithering fool who had wasted years on the report, and who was easily led by a biased individual who was in control of the interview. Which IMO is one of the reason why most people have ignored Chilcot. If Chilcot had anything that nailed Blair, it would have been all over the news reals and newspapers, there was little more than an embarrassed silence as most people ignored it, including Blair's enemies. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 11, 2024 12:48:06 GMT
There was no WMDS ….end of .
The Iraq war was based in lies.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 11, 2024 14:44:15 GMT
So, that does not alter Howard's belief that Blair made more of the sporadic and patchy information he had. Howard's belief is just his unproven opinion. Of course it was but your defence of Blair is that he received consent from Parliament to go to war. So we have to know how that was viewed by those who made that decision. Many have the view that Blair at best misled them and some think he lied. Blair was the one who sold the war to Parliament. You cannot have it both ways in that consent from parliament was sought and obtained and nothing to do with Blair when Blair and his government were actively seeking permission from Parliament to do as they clearly stated they wished to do. Once further information became available Howard believed he had been misled. It may be one man's opinion but a very crucial man's opinion for Blair and for the country. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2024 17:10:05 GMT
"The faulty intelligence from MI6 was compounded by Tony Blair who hardened up the information when he wrote the foreword to the so-called “dodgy dossier” in September 2002. Chilcot concluded that Blair presented the assessments of the spy agencies to parliament with a “certainty” not justified by available intelligence."
'But the Chilcot report concludes: “The assessed intelligence had not established beyond doubt that Saddam Hussein had continued to produce chemical and biological weapons.”'
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/06/mi6-stood-by-bogus-intelligence-until-after-iraq-invasion
Blair was not a weapons inspector nor was he a member of any intelligence agency, nor if my memory is correct did he ever visit Iraq. He had to rely upon the advice given to him by his advisors in the Intelligence Agency. So why did he sex up the available intelligence? - if he had presented the truth to Parliament then they could have voted on the facts, not Blairs fantasy. |
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