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Post by Pacifico on Sept 7, 2024 21:29:24 GMT
Parliament voted based on the dodgy dossier created by Blair. Utter nonsense, the Dossiers had fallen into disrepute, thanks to dishonest propaganda by Tories and their followers before the vote in Parliament. Its just you grabbing at straws. The dossiers were the basis of the vote in parliament - they asserted that there were WMD's in Iraq. How many did you find? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 8, 2024 2:14:39 GMT
He did not start an illegal war. But lying or misguided comment against Blair is quite common. were not at war with Iraq until we invaded - that decision to invade was made by Blair. We've never been 'at war' with anyone after Hitler Where was the "Chamberlain Moment" for any military action since September 1945. I can't find one. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 8, 2024 2:19:11 GMT
We’ve been down this road before and you’re not open to the truth,and that truth is the man is a liar who caused misery and death and brought greater terrorism to these shores ,destabilisation the rubber boats and that many of the political class is complicit in so much so some were willing to support the sham that was the Middle East envoy bollocks. Add to that the malign influence of his foundation and the filthy lucre he amassed in doing all he did. SO AS USUAL YOU, LIKE MANY OTHERS' DO NOT HAVE EVEN ONE LIE, NEVER MIND A LIST OF LIES BY BLAIR. I suggest you cease your denigration of Blair until you have something you can prove against him, otherwise you are just posting like a Wind Up Merchant. Ok I have proven Blair lied to parliament A special committee shut down his attempt at filling the UK with Indians as part of his globalisation antics as a direct result of my work with three others in providing the evidence to a shadow minister that there was NO skills shortage in the UK, what there was, was a disinclination on the part of the millionaire software house CEOs at the time to pay a decent rate / salary to the thousands in our own trade body in possession of those very skills...... |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 8, 2024 7:45:58 GMT
No one could prove that Iraq had no WMD that was the problem. No one had hindsight in 2002/3 You make it abundantly clear that where Blair is concerned your biased NEED to denigrate him controls your thinking. And you make it clear that he like the pope is infallible,neither are and his were not mistakes and he profited from it all. |
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Post by piglet on Sept 8, 2024 10:19:19 GMT
See2 your strident opposition to criticism of the left, all of it, shows how partial you are. It threatens your belief in it, you must oppose to maintain your delusions.
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Post by see2 on Sept 8, 2024 13:03:53 GMT
SO AS USUAL YOU, LIKE MANY OTHERS' DO NOT HAVE EVEN ONE LIE, NEVER MIND A LIST OF LIES BY BLAIR. I suggest you cease your denigration of Blair until you have something you can prove against him, otherwise you are just posting like a Wind Up Merchant. Ok I have proven Blair lied to parliament A special committee shut down his attempt at filling the UK with Indians as part of his globalisation antics as a direct result of my work with three others in providing the evidence to a shadow minister that there was NO skills shortage in the UK, what there was, was a disinclination on the part of the millionaire software house CEOs at the time to pay a decent rate / salary to the thousands in our own trade body in possession of those very skills......So if the wages for 'software people' had been realistic, there would have been no shortages? |
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Post by see2 on Sept 8, 2024 13:13:36 GMT
See2 your strident opposition to criticism of the left, all of it, shows how partial you are. It threatens your belief in it, you must oppose to maintain your delusions. I believe in political honesty, if you don't like it I suggest you look to yourself instead of trying to criticise me. I am very much center of politics, which means I can and do criticise both when criticism is due. I criticised Corbyn and refused to vote for him. I did vote for Theresa May a Conservative. So you are not addressing the real me in your posts, all you are are doing is exposing your Rightist imagination. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 8, 2024 13:17:39 GMT
No one could prove that Iraq had no WMD that was the problem. No one had hindsight in 2002/3 You make it abundantly clear that where Blair is concerned your biased NEED to denigrate him controls your thinking. And you make it clear that he like the pope is infallible,neither are and his were not mistakes and he profited from it all. Mine was a truthful accusation with the visual evidence available, while your accusation is a product of your imagination, with no evidence with which to back it up. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 8, 2024 18:36:10 GMT
Ok I have proven Blair lied to parliament A special committee shut down his attempt at filling the UK with Indians as part of his globalisation antics as a direct result of my work with three others in providing the evidence to a shadow minister that there was NO skills shortage in the UK, what there was, was a disinclination on the part of the millionaire software house CEOs at the time to pay a decent rate / salary to the thousands in our own trade body in possession of those very skills......So if the wages for 'software people' had been realistic, there would have been no shortages? I can't answer that My words to Mr Otway were that Mr Blair was on record in Hansard telling the house that his fast tracked visa scheme allowing Indian IT workers immediate access to work in the UK was necessary because there were NO people available with those skills, yet, here were the names and addresses and CV's of slightly more than a thousand people, any one of which is happy to come here and present themselves to you, all of whom have these skills and is prepared to listen to what those in need of those skills are prepared to pay them I said the same to the committee I was not asked how much they wanted. I made it clear my evidence was that people who Blair said could not be found were in fact available And on that basis he lied to parliament when he said they were not. They agreed with me and his scam was shut down That's it. That's the facts of the matter Now, You seemed to have a problem with people proving Blair lied to parliament .... |
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Post by see2 on Sept 9, 2024 13:15:24 GMT
So if the wages for 'software people' had been realistic, there would have been no shortages? I can't answer that My words to Mr Otway were that Mr Blair was on record in Hansard telling the house that his fast tracked visa scheme allowing Indian IT workers immediate access to work in the UK was necessary because there were NO people available with those skills, yet, here were the names and addresses and CV's of slightly more than a thousand people, any one of which is happy to come here and present themselves to you, all of whom have these skills and is prepared to listen to what those in need of those skills are prepared to pay them I said the same to the committee I was not asked how much they wanted. I made it clear my evidence was that people who Blair said could not be found were in fact available And on that basis he lied to parliament when he said they were not. They agreed with me and his scam was shut down That's it. That's the facts of the matter Now, You seemed to have a problem with people proving Blair lied to parliament .... There are always two sides to such issues. Were such people actually available, or were they unwilling to apply for Jobs? Were Jobs being advertised? Were there hundreds of people who preferred to stay in the job they already had? or were there hundreds of such able and available people unemployed and looking for jobs? I have not seen unequivocal evidence that Blair lied. In fact IIRC you once posted that bringing in operatives from India held down the earnings of operative already here. And that was your big beef against it. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 9, 2024 19:18:17 GMT
Utter nonsense, the Dossiers had fallen into disrepute, thanks to dishonest propaganda by Tories and their followers before the vote in Parliament. Its just you grabbing at straws. The dossiers were the basis of the vote in parliament - they asserted that there were WMD's in Iraq. How many did you find? Ask Blix why he was still looking for WMD in Iraq right up to days before the invasion. The Dossiers had nothing to do with the decision by Parliament, Blair stated in his address to Parliament that his information on WMD in Iraq came straight from his Intelligence advisors. Its really sad when Rightists believe only what they want to believe. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 9, 2024 19:24:59 GMT
The dossiers were the basis of the vote in parliament - they asserted that there were WMD's in Iraq. How many did you find? Ask Blix why he was still looking for WMD in Iraq right up to days before the invasion. The Dossiers had nothing to do with the decision by Parliament, Blair stated in his address to Parliament that his information on WMD in Iraq came straight from his Intelligence advisors. Its really sad when Rightists believe only what they want to believe. It was the strength of that intelligence that was the issue Mr Howard believes Mr Blair lied. He told Breakfast with Frost: "The intelligence that he had, as we know from the Butler report... was limited sporadic and patchy. When Mr Blair came to report that to the country, he said he had intelligence that was extensive, detailed and authoritative. Maybe you can reconcile those two different sets of words. I can't. I think that portraying the intelligence in that way was untrue." |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 9, 2024 21:16:26 GMT
The dossiers were the basis of the vote in parliament - they asserted that there were WMD's in Iraq. How many did you find? Ask Blix why he was still looking for WMD in Iraq right up to days before the invasion. The Dossiers had nothing to do with the decision by Parliament, Blair stated in his address to Parliament that his information on WMD in Iraq came straight from his Intelligence advisors. Its really sad when Rightists believe only what they want to believe. all debunked by the Iraq Enquiry |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 9, 2024 23:15:25 GMT
I can't answer that My words to Mr Otway were that Mr Blair was on record in Hansard telling the house that his fast tracked visa scheme allowing Indian IT workers immediate access to work in the UK was necessary because there were NO people available with those skills, yet, here were the names and addresses and CV's of slightly more than a thousand people, any one of which is happy to come here and present themselves to you, all of whom have these skills and is prepared to listen to what those in need of those skills are prepared to pay them I said the same to the committee I was not asked how much they wanted. I made it clear my evidence was that people who Blair said could not be found were in fact available And on that basis he lied to parliament when he said they were not. They agreed with me and his scam was shut down That's it. That's the facts of the matter Now, You seemed to have a problem with people proving Blair lied to parliament .... There are always two sides to such issues. Were such people actually available, or were they unwilling to apply for Jobs? Were Jobs being advertised? Were there hundreds of people who preferred to stay in the job they already had? or were there hundreds of such able and available people unemployed and looking for jobs? I have not seen unequivocal evidence that Blair lied. In fact IIRC you once posted that bringing in operatives from India held down the earnings of operative already here. And that was your big beef against it. I did see the report of the select committe made it to the UK parliament website about five years back, I'll dig it out if I can find it |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 10, 2024 11:23:28 GMT
There are always two sides to such issues. Were such people actually available, or were they unwilling to apply for Jobs? Were Jobs being advertised? Were there hundreds of people who preferred to stay in the job they already had? or were there hundreds of such able and available people unemployed and looking for jobs? I have not seen unequivocal evidence that Blair lied. In fact IIRC you once posted that bringing in operatives from India held down the earnings of operative already here. And that was your big beef against it. I did see the report of the select committe made it to the UK parliament website about five years back, I'll dig it out if I can find it This isn't the part I was looking for but it is a start. This was initiated because it became clear the workers shipped in to work for Mahindra on BT Global Projects were rather less skilled (their paperwork was actually bogus) than they claimed hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2003-11-20/debates/bce07cfe-cb81-49fe-b9d1-0a5ae12427b7/ItWorkers(Fast-TrackVisas)The Head of BT Global Projects left under a cloud as a result of the revelations and surfaced a few years later at Logica where he started working out how to tell the UK government classified work was being done in the UK while in fact a lot of it was being shipped, illegally, to their Chennai division .... He left Logica under a cloud too but his redundancy package was a thousand times the size of mine |
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