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Post by Vinny on Sept 6, 2024 9:17:51 GMT
Blair is a dangerously delusional idiot.
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 6, 2024 9:44:50 GMT
Tony Blair likened globalisation to the industrial revolution, and he said that there is nothing anyone can do about globalisation, its happening whether people agree with it or not. He explained how people were oppossed to the industrial revolution. He also said that both globalisation and the increasing use of technology such as AI can be used to better peoples lives, make the poorer better off, and advance medicine and science. But like all things if the industrial revolution had been allowed free reign it would have destroyed much in its progress as it did in South Wales, Central Scotland and many areas of England. It had to be controlled and curtailed by regulation through government in the interests of the people. The same is true of globalisation it has to be controlled and curtailed by government in the interests of the people. To not do so may lead to the destruction of much we hold dear and as in the industrial revolution recovery is a process of hundreds of years if it can occur at all. If this post was The Spoken Word, you would be speaking like a true "progressive" or Social Democrat The number 1 belief of progressive politicians is that Capitalism MUST be regulated in order to protect people, some call it "moral capitalism" or "capitalism with a social conscience". The biggest danger is unregulated capitalism, or an unreigned free market, something which many on the right of politics advocate. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 6, 2024 10:09:21 GMT
But like all things if the industrial revolution had been allowed free reign it would have destroyed much in its progress as it did in South Wales, Central Scotland and many areas of England. It had to be controlled and curtailed by regulation through government in the interests of the people. The same is true of globalisation it has to be controlled and curtailed by government in the interests of the people. To not do so may lead to the destruction of much we hold dear and as in the industrial revolution recovery is a process of hundreds of years if it can occur at all. If this post was The Spoken Word, you would be speaking like a true "progressive" or Social Democrat The number 1 belief of progressive politicians is that Capitalism MUST be regulated in order to protect people, some call it "moral capitalism" or "capitalism with a social conscience". The biggest danger is unregulated capitalism, or an unreigned free market, something which many on the right of politics advocate. I think that is in general the majority view, what and how regulation occurs is of course the stuff of disagreement. Allowing the movement of large numbers of people is the very essence of globalism and as such must be strictly regulated by governments trying to keep globalism in some form of control. Trying to do that however raises the hackles of many largely from the intolerant left. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 6, 2024 10:39:24 GMT
But like all things if the industrial revolution had been allowed free reign it would have destroyed much in its progress as it did in South Wales, Central Scotland and many areas of England. It had to be controlled and curtailed by regulation through government in the interests of the people. The same is true of globalisation it has to be controlled and curtailed by government in the interests of the people. To not do so may lead to the destruction of much we hold dear and as in the industrial revolution recovery is a process of hundreds of years if it can occur at all. If this post was The Spoken Word, you would be speaking like a true "progressive" or Social Democrat The number 1 belief of progressive politicians is that Capitalism MUST be regulated in order to protect people, some call it "moral capitalism" or "capitalism with a social conscience". The biggest danger is unregulated capitalism, or an unreigned free market, something which many on the right of politics advocate.
If you have an unregulated market then you cannot have capitalism - capitalism is inherently reliant on legally enforceable contract Law. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 6, 2024 14:05:34 GMT
Blair is a dangerously delusional idiot. Out of the two I would put you ahead of Blair as the most dangerous. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 6, 2024 14:10:56 GMT
He did not start an illegal war. But lying or misguided comment against Blair is quite common. were not at war with Iraq until we invaded - that decision to invade was made by Blair., it was as far as the UK is concerned a decision that was made by parliament. UN Res. 1441 was the reason for invasion. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 6, 2024 14:19:50 GMT
A list of his lies please, that would help clarify the issue. So far, it seems to me that Blair was more lied about than he was guilty of lying. I am always willing to learn. We’ve been down this road before and you’re not open to the truth,and that truth is the man is a liar who caused misery and death and brought greater terrorism to these shores ,destabilisation the rubber boats and that many of the political class is complicit in so much so some were willing to support the sham that was the Middle East envoy bollocks. Add to that the malign influence of his foundation and the filthy lucre he amassed in doing all he did. SO AS USUAL YOU, LIKE MANY OTHERS' DO NOT HAVE EVEN ONE LIE, NEVER MIND A LIST OF LIES BY BLAIR. I suggest you cease your denigration of Blair until you have something you can prove against him, otherwise you are just posting like a Wind Up Merchant. |
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Post by Dogburger on Sept 6, 2024 15:01:42 GMT
We were not at war with Iraq until we invaded - that decision to invade was made by Blair. , it was as far as the UK is concerned a decision that was made by parliament. UN Res. 1441 was the reason for invasion. The illegal invasion . Without the weapons of mass destruction claim it would have been hard to justify the invasion under 1441. |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 6, 2024 17:44:06 GMT
We’ve been down this road before and you’re not open to the truth,and that truth is the man is a liar who caused misery and death and brought greater terrorism to these shores ,destabilisation the rubber boats and that many of the political class is complicit in so much so some were willing to support the sham that was the Middle East envoy bollocks. Add to that the malign influence of his foundation and the filthy lucre he amassed in doing all he did. SO AS USUAL YOU, LIKE MANY OTHERS' DO NOT HAVE EVEN ONE LIE, NEVER MIND A LIST OF LIES BY BLAIR. I suggest you cease your denigration of Blair until you have something you can prove against him, otherwise you are just posting like a Wind Up Merchant. So as usual you think posting in capitals proves your point,it doesn’t,I suggest you accept this is a discussion forum where you cannot demand your narrative is the only one heard. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 6, 2024 18:05:14 GMT
We were not at war with Iraq until we invaded - that decision to invade was made by Blair. , it was as far as the UK is concerned a decision that was made by parliament. UN Res. 1441 was the reason for invasion. I think most people accept that Blair wanted war, for whatever reason, and was determined to make the dossier as compelling as possible. Many in parliament who voted for war felt they were misled by Blair at best and some say he lied. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 6, 2024 20:02:31 GMT
He did not start an illegal war. But lying or misguided comment against Blair is quite common. were not at war with Iraq until we invaded - that decision to invade was made by Blair. He sent our Troops into more than one War, Iraq in 1998, in Kosovo, in Sierra Leone, in Afghanistan, and again in Iraq |
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Post by see2 on Sept 6, 2024 20:30:10 GMT
No it was not, it was as far as the UK is concerned a decision that was made by parliament. UN Res. 1441 was the reason for invasion. The illegal invasion . Without the weapons of mass destruction claim it would have been hard to justify the invasion under 1441. From Blix's comment to the UN as he withdrew UN inspections just prior to the invasion. --"The long list of proscribed items unaccounted for had not been shortened by inspections or Iraqi declarations, explanations or documentation, he continued. It was up to Iraq to present items unaccounted for, or present evidence convincing the inspectors that the items did not exist. If that was not done, the international community could not have confidence that past programmes had been terminated."--press.un.org/en/2003/sc7777.doc.htm |
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Post by see2 on Sept 6, 2024 20:41:05 GMT
We were not at war with Iraq until we invaded - that decision to invade was made by Blair. He sent our Troops into more than one War, Iraq in 1998, in Kosovo, in Sierra Leone, in Afghanistan, and again in Iraq And the reasons for were?? |
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Post by see2 on Sept 6, 2024 20:48:46 GMT
No it was not, it was as far as the UK is concerned a decision that was made by parliament. UN Res. 1441 was the reason for invasion. I think most people accept that Blair wanted war, for whatever reason, and was determined to make the dossier as compelling as possible. Many in parliament who voted for war felt they were misled by Blair at best and some say he lied. Hindsight, dishonest anti-Blair propaganda, so typical of the Rightist mind. AFAIA there were no lies in the dossiers, although one, the so called 'dodgy dossier' was guilty of an element of Plagiarism, for which it was given that title 'dodgy' by some dodgy comment on a dodgy outlet. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 6, 2024 20:55:01 GMT
SO AS USUAL YOU, LIKE MANY OTHERS' DO NOT HAVE EVEN ONE LIE, NEVER MIND A LIST OF LIES BY BLAIR. I suggest you cease your denigration of Blair until you have something you can prove against him, otherwise you are just posting like a Wind Up Merchant. So as usual you think posting in capitals proves your point,it doesn’t,I suggest you accept this is a discussion forum where you cannot demand your narrative is the only one heard. I don't, I asked you a straight forward question, relevant to your post that I replied to, and it seems that you couldn't answer it. When you make accusations that you can't back-up, expect to be taken to task. |
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