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Post by Einhorn on Dec 4, 2022 14:04:13 GMT
Hmmm, and now the lack of European labour is seen as part of the reason for the UK's current economic woes. Most EU prisoners in British jails were either Polish or Irish. I don't see how Brexit could have helped with reducing the latter. Several year ago i looked at this and the East Europeans were over represented as a percentage of inmates. I also know having stooped muggings that a certain amour of crime does not get reported, in fact I suspect most does not unless it requires somone needing hospitalisation. And there was a time when British prisoners were under-represented because they fled to the Costa del crime. Can you give some statistics? My own research shows that Poles and Irish are at the top of the league. How has leaving the EU solved the problem with Irish offenders? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 4, 2022 14:05:11 GMT
You can't undercut a minimum wage without breaking the law.
If you want to moan about low wages I suggest you look to our govt' or the employers not willing to pay above it.
I just turned down a job in a pub that wanted to pay me 8p above the min wage. As far as I know no Pole has taken it for 7p above the min wage and they are still looking.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2022 14:12:02 GMT
I worked with a Lithuanian guy who sold some drugs to the people in the factory . He was a good assistant and one of the few I really trusted ( for good reasons ) . He worked hard and wanted to learn more skills but the management led him on and he left . He told me that both of his brothers were thieves and were in prison . He had been in prison too . I had stuff like that from Polish guys too. Weren't there provisions for deporting criminals under EU law? And let's not forget that the UK had been deporting its criminal class to the Costa del Crime for decades. Afaik it didn't apply . The guy wasn’t in the run and had done his time in Europe. I was told by a Pole that Polish criminals do tend to come over here to get away but I assumed it was for petty crimes . The people I worked with wanted to work. When I worked in North London I was told the Albanians had taken over the illegal drugs trade from the Yardies . They were even more ruthless than them and were better organised. Can’t blame the EU for that though. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 4, 2022 14:15:54 GMT
Weren't there provisions for deporting criminals under EU law? And let's not forget that the UK had been deporting its criminal class to the Costa del Crime for decades. Afaik it didn't apply . The guy wasn’t in the run and had done his time in Europe. I was told by a Pole that Polish criminals do tend to come over here to get away but I assumed it was for petty crimes . The people I worked with wanted to work. When I worked in North London I was told the Albanians had taken over the illegal drugs trade from the Yardies . They were even more ruthless than them and were better organised. Can’t blame the EU for that though. As far as I can see, the figures are distorted by the fact that the second biggest group (by a considerable margin) are Irish. Brexit hasn't fixed that. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 4, 2022 14:17:23 GMT
And it's also the case that 57% of non-nationals in UK prisons aren't from the EU.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2022 14:21:19 GMT
Afaik it didn't apply . The guy wasn’t in the run and had done his time in Europe. I was told by a Pole that Polish criminals do tend to come over here to get away but I assumed it was for petty crimes . The people I worked with wanted to work. When I worked in North London I was told the Albanians had taken over the illegal drugs trade from the Yardies . They were even more ruthless than them and were better organised. Can’t blame the EU for that though. As far as I can see, the figures are distorted by the fact that the second biggest group (by a considerable margin) are Irish. Brexit hasn't fixed that. Some things can’t be fixed. Maybe we should ban Guinness . |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 4, 2022 14:22:14 GMT
As far as I can see, the figures are distorted by the fact that the second biggest group (by a considerable margin) are Irish. Brexit hasn't fixed that. Some things can’t be fixed. Maybe we should ban Guinness . Maybe. But either way, the figures are misleading. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2022 14:31:16 GMT
Some things can’t be fixed. Maybe we should ban Guinness . Maybe. But either way, the figures are misleading. “ The’ figures are misleading or figures can be misleading ? |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 4, 2022 14:35:14 GMT
Maybe. But either way, the figures are misleading. “ The’ figures are misleading or figures can be misleading ? Anyone who looked at the prison numbers and voted for Brexit in whole or in part on those was misled. Brexit was never going to address the problem of Irish inmates. They're the second biggest offending group. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 4, 2022 14:36:38 GMT
As far as I can see, the figures are distorted by the fact that the second biggest group (by a considerable margin) are Irish. Brexit hasn't fixed that. Some things can’t be fixed. Maybe we should ban Guinness . I've never liked it much anyway. It all started as an accident when they burnt a batch of barley. A good old English milk stout is better if you like that sort of thing. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2022 14:40:04 GMT
“ The’ figures are misleading or figures can be misleading ? Anyone who looked at the prison numbers and voted for Brexit in whole or in part on those was misled. Brexit was never going to address the problem of Irish inmates. They're the second biggest offending group. Figures are either misleading or they are not. You can’t just apply it to your favourite hobby horse. Tbh I never heard the subject of Irish criminals come up in either the leave of remain narratives. Im sure that the slogan ‘ Brexit won’t reduce Irish criminals in the UK’ would of been most helpful to the remain campaign. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 4, 2022 14:40:32 GMT
Some things can’t be fixed. Maybe we should ban Guinness . It all started as an accident when they burnt a batch of barley. Let's keep the Guinness and ban Mrs. Brown's Boys. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2022 14:41:47 GMT
Some things can’t be fixed. Maybe we should ban Guinness . I've never liked it much anyway. It all started as an accident when they burnt a batch of barley. A good old English milk stout is better if you like that sort of thing. Tescos do a nice milk stout . 4 for sick squid.👍 |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 4, 2022 14:43:52 GMT
Anyone who looked at the prison numbers and voted for Brexit in whole or in part on those was misled. Brexit was never going to address the problem of Irish inmates. They're the second biggest offending group. Figures are either misleading or they are not. You can’t just apply it to your favourite hobby horse. Tbh I never heard the subject of Irish criminals come up in either the leave of remain narratives. Im sure that the slogan ‘ Brexit won’t reduce Irish criminals in the UK’ would of been most helpful to the remain campaign. Someone mentioned that he had researched the numbers of EU nationals in British prisons, remarking that they were high. I pointed out that Brexit won't have helped as much as he might have believed because a large part of those EU nationals are Irish. Seems fair enough. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2022 14:46:30 GMT
Figures are either misleading or they are not. You can’t just apply it to your favourite hobby horse. Tbh I never heard the subject of Irish criminals come up in either the leave of remain narratives. Im sure that the slogan ‘ Brexit won’t reduce Irish criminals in the UK’ would of been most helpful to the remain campaign. Someone mentioned that he had researched the numbers of EU nationals in British prisons, remarking that they were high. I pointed out that Brexit won't have helped as much as he might have believed because a large part of those EU nationals are Irish. Seems fair enough. I didn’t notice that the prison figures in the leave campaign narrative either tbh. |
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