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Post by Vinny on Aug 25, 2024 19:15:36 GMT
Do you think Tony tuition fees Blair has any interest in the poor? The first food banks in our country opened in his first term in office. He was awful.
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Post by Totheleft on Aug 25, 2024 19:22:43 GMT
Do you think Tony tuition fees Blair has any interest in the poor? The first food banks in our country opened in his first term in office. He was awful. Yes and food banks grown by 10fold under the Tories to such point middle class households started using them. Do you think the likes Cameron may Johnson trust sunak only care for the rich |
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Post by see2 on Aug 25, 2024 20:02:31 GMT
IIRC Starmer said before the election that the first job would be to sort out the economy. Your shit, Sherlock. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 25, 2024 20:19:19 GMT
Do you think Tony tuition fees Blair has any interest in the poor? The first food banks in our country opened in his first term in office. He was awful. The tuition fees were needed in order to rescue state education (mostly used by the poor) which was seriously underfunded due to Thatcher's 'Grant Maintained' funding of state education. "Margaret Thatcher is the only Prime Minister to whom Oxford University refused to award an honorary degree in protest at the “deep and systematic damage to the state education". |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 25, 2024 22:19:19 GMT
No one has robbed little old ladies, and no one is going to rob little old ladies, because the Winter Fuel Allowance is mine, I have involuntarily given it to pensioners as a tax payer ( as have all tax payers ). It is a fact that the demographic group in society with the most disposable income are pensioners, and the demographic group with the least disposable income are young working people with families. I accept that not all pensiners are "comfortable" or "well off", but a high proportion are, and the Winter Fuel Allowance will continue to be paid to the least well off pensioners. As for public sector workers - they have endured over 10 years of pay freezes followed by below inflation pay rises, resulting in disruptive strikes which has damaged our economy, and at the same time pensioners have been automatically given pension rises in line with inflation. The UK finances are in a mess, theres a massive hole in the budget, and something has to give, and literally giving people money to pay their energy bill is a luxury that we cannot aford at this time. Imagine excusing throwing TWO MILLION pensioners into fuel poverty, many of whom will be disabled! This is not means testing, this is ideologically driven cruelty. Which public sector workers had 10 years of pay freezes? Also, you comparisons with a pensioner's income is just dumb. Public sector workers work in pay bands which they automatically travel up, they can also get promotions / increase qualifications / work overtime. In theory my missus is 8% down duing the Tory government, but in reality she is earnings miles more because she received TWO FREE MASTERS DEGREES to enable her to get promotions... and she gets the auto travel up the pay scales. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 25, 2024 22:47:30 GMT
IIRC Starmer said before the election that the first job would be to sort out the economy. Your shit, Sherlock. Governments around the world are advising their citizens to avoid the violent UK. Not exactly a resounding advert for foreign investment, which is exactly what Starmer needs to fund his extravagant spending plans and public sector pay rises. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 25, 2024 22:53:12 GMT
Do you think Tony tuition fees Blair has any interest in the poor? The first food banks in our country opened in his first term in office. He was awful. The tuition fees were needed in order to rescue state education (mostly used by the poor) which was seriously underfunded due to Thatcher's 'Grant Maintained' funding of state education. "Margaret Thatcher is the only Prime Minister to whom Oxford University refused to award an honorary degree in protest at the “deep and systematic damage to the state education". FFS Thatcher was fifty years ago. Why not carp on about Macmillan or Baldwin they're just as relevant as Thatcher. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 26, 2024 6:15:27 GMT
She was leader of the opposition 50 years ago, PM 45 years ago to 34 years ago. Labour have never stopped crying about her. Labour leaders started praising her.
I recall Blair describing himself as a Thatcherite and Maggie calling Blair her biggest achievement.
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 26, 2024 6:24:35 GMT
The tuition fees were needed in order to rescue state education (mostly used by the poor) which was seriously underfunded due to Thatcher's 'Grant Maintained' funding of state education. "Margaret Thatcher is the only Prime Minister to whom Oxford University refused to award an honorary degree in protest at the “deep and systematic damage to the state education". FFS Thatcher was fifty years ago. Why not carp on about Macmillan or Baldwin they're just as relevant as Thatcher. This was mostly to get the young into debt whilst universities got rich. It wouldn't have been so bad if the courses were relevant to the needs of the country. I have no idea why the boy believes it has anything to do with Thatcher or state education, which wasn't any better under Labour. Now it's like 100 to a class and nobody can actually teach anything without being sacked for challenging a pupil's retarded beliefs. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 26, 2024 8:22:06 GMT
Labour party for the poor ......... LOL Forgot your socks, Tony? Sharp-suited Blair takes his family on Italian yachting break with world's fifth richest man... but it looks as if he didn't have any change left from those £820 loafers!
Dont you think the wealthy can support the pooor Tony Blair didn't have a pot to piss in before he became Prime Minister, he banged on and on and on about being the party for the poor, his party would fight the social injustice between the rich and the poor, they will level up society blah blah blah
Tony Blair 27 years later he's worth well over £80 million, he's got a property empire worth millions on top of that, Tony Blair got rich off the backs of poor people, he's the worst kind, I bet he doesn't give the 'poor people' a second thought, they've made him a multimillionaire and set for life and live a life of luxury wining and dining with some of the worlds most wealthiest people ....... way to go Tony.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 26, 2024 8:31:41 GMT
Dont you think the wealthy can support the pooor Tony Blair didn't have a pot to piss in before he became Prime Minister, he banged on and on and on about being the party for the poor, his party would fight the social injustice between the rich and the poor, they will level up society blah blah blah
Tony Blair 27 years later he's worth well over £80 million, he's got a property empire worth millions on top of that, Tony Blair got rich off the backs of poor people, he's the worst kind, I bet he doesn't give the 'poor people' a second thought, they've made him a multimillionaire and set for life and live a life of luxury wining and dining with some of the worlds most wealthiest people ....... way to go Tony.
There was a time when being UK PM was the ultimate attainment of ambition. Blair used it as a stepping stone and on resigning left Parliament, not for him the mundane task of constituency representation taken on by all his predecessors in the high office as they retreated to the back benches and later to the Lords. He was bound for greater things and the British electorate were but pawns to be used to that aim. From being one of the most popular people in teh UK in a few short years he became a figure of hate for far too many and initiated the detestation of politicians that many British people now have. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 26, 2024 8:44:21 GMT
Tony Blair didn't have a pot to piss in before he became Prime Minister, he banged on and on and on about being the party for the poor, his party would fight the social injustice between the rich and the poor, they will level up society blah blah blah
Tony Blair 27 years later he's worth well over £80 million, he's got a property empire worth millions on top of that, Tony Blair got rich off the backs of poor people, he's the worst kind, I bet he doesn't give the 'poor people' a second thought, they've made him a multimillionaire and set for life and live a life of luxury wining and dining with some of the worlds most wealthiest people ....... way to go Tony.
There was a time when being UK PM was the ultimate attainment of ambition. Blair used it as a stepping stone and on resigning left Parliament, not for him the mundane task of constituency representation taken on by all his predecessors in the high office as they retreated to the back benches and later to the Lords. He was bound for greater things and the British electorate were but pawns to be used to that aim. From being one of the most popular people in teh UK in a few short years he became a figure of hate for far too many and initiated the detestation of politicians that many British people now have. Tony Blair was the start of the rot setting in, his illegal war in Iraq and the lies he told to start that war he should have been charged with war crimes.
Instead he's given a knighthood, and is one of the wealthiest ever UK Prime Ministers, that's what the UK are good at, honouring the dishonourable, rewarding incompetence, the UK is top destination for low life, it's the easiest country to get away with almost every crime under the sun.
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 26, 2024 10:02:02 GMT
Do you think Tony tuition fees Blair has any interest in the poor? The first food banks in our country opened in his first term in office. He was awful. The tuition fees were needed in order to rescue state education (mostly used by the poor) which was seriously underfunded due to Thatcher's 'Grant Maintained' funding of state education. "Margaret Thatcher is the only Prime Minister to whom Oxford University refused to award an honorary degree in protest at the “deep and systematic damage to the state education". You certainly do dream up some ridiculous crap in your relentless OTT pursuit of ''it's all Mrs Ts fault '' It had SFA to do with grant maintained schools . The introduction of tuition fees (which had 'always' been there but generally paid by local authorities so considered ''free'' plus a means tested maintenance grant ) directly to students was a result of the oft forgotten fact that the Robbin's report (which reasonably assumed a similar rate of progression to Higher education) preceded the dearth of selective education in favour of the imposition of state comprehensive education which accelerated the rate of progression leaving universities competing for funds , this was further exacerbated by the Conservative ''mistake'' in 1992 of allowing polys to have university status and Blair's stupid 50% should become university graduates (hello Mickey Mouse degrees ) making the tuition costs being passed to students inevitable . Universities compete in a market for students and charge accordingly - it's all justifiable due to the apparent increased earning power of graduates over their lifetime . (Heard a great joke on the radio the other day - Dustmen now have a fancy title - Waste Operative worker and unions insist they are addressed as such but you don't go into Costa and call the barista ''Theatre Studies BA'' when asking for a latte) education-uk.org/documents/robbins/robbins1963.html |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 26, 2024 10:54:43 GMT
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 26, 2024 19:15:43 GMT
No one has robbed little old ladies, and no one is going to rob little old ladies, because the Winter Fuel Allowance is mine, I have involuntarily given it to pensioners as a tax payer ( as have all tax payers ). It is a fact that the demographic group in society with the most disposable income are pensioners, and the demographic group with the least disposable income are young working people with families. I accept that not all pensiners are "comfortable" or "well off", but a high proportion are, and the Winter Fuel Allowance will continue to be paid to the least well off pensioners. As for public sector workers - they have endured over 10 years of pay freezes followed by below inflation pay rises, resulting in disruptive strikes which has damaged our economy, and at the same time pensioners have been automatically given pension rises in line with inflation. The UK finances are in a mess, theres a massive hole in the budget, and something has to give, and literally giving people money to pay their energy bill is a luxury that we cannot aford at this time. Imagine excusing throwing TWO MILLION pensioners into fuel poverty, many of whom will be disabled! This is not means testing, this is ideologically driven cruelty. Which public sector workers had 10 years of pay freezes? Also, you comparisons with a pensioner's income is just dumb. Public sector workers work in pay bands which they automatically travel up, they can also get promotions / increase qualifications / work overtime. In theory my missus is 8% down duing the Tory government, but in reality she is earnings miles more because she received TWO FREE MASTERS DEGREES to enable her to get promotions... and she gets the auto travel up the pay scales. What nonsense, the maximum Winter Fuel Allowance paid out to any pensioner is £300.00, but quite often it is £200.00. The 2024 pension increase was at a rate which many public sector workers could only dream of - 8.5%, equivelant to a £905.30 per year increase, and inflation is currently 2.2%. There are approximately 12 million pensinoers in the UK, of which several million are either "comfortably off", "well off" or "wealthy", most of these receive other incomes including private pensions, and most in this category pay no rent or mortgage. It is utterly absurd that tax payers, often working families who are struggling should be contributing towards the energy bills of people who are better off than they are. At the other end of the scale are less well off pensioners who are on basic state pension only, and who pay rent, all pensioners in this category will get assistance through Pension Credits and / or assistance with rent, and they will continue to receive Winter Fuel Allowance. I never stated that any public sector workers had "10 years of pay freezes", I stated that most public sector workers endured firstly a pay freeze, followed by years of below inflation pay rises. In 2013 the coalition governments Care Services Minister "Paul Burstow" criticised the Winter Fuel Payments, saying that 80% of those who receive the benefit do not need it. |
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