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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 19, 2024 15:12:27 GMT
It's all in the mind then. Where was your definition dreamt up? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 19, 2024 15:13:24 GMT
My definition of what?
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Post by Ripley on Aug 19, 2024 15:15:11 GMT
I've just started watching Joanna Lumley's Britain, in which the actress, who has mostly lived in England and speaks with the plummiest of English accents, says she was born in India but is 3/4 Scottish. It's complicated.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 19, 2024 15:16:16 GMT
You are what you are
My lot came from farms in County Cork and the highways and byways of most everywhere else. My paternal grandmother's spoke Romany and also, despite not being middle class or a civil service job, the Irish. But the general feeling in the family has always been that if being English is good enough for the Almighty, then it is hood enough for us.
Ignore YouGov polls. They pay 50p a poll, so the only folk who fill them in are arseless students
Any comments on this Dan? |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 19, 2024 15:16:44 GMT
Your definition of what makes someone English. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 19, 2024 15:26:34 GMT
I don't believe I have offered such a definition. Are you thinking of my earlier one that defines an ethnie (any ethnie, not just English)?
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Post by Vinny on Aug 19, 2024 15:30:08 GMT
I am not 100% ethnically English despite being born in England.
I'm a mongrel and I'm proud of it.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 19, 2024 15:36:52 GMT
Again you just ignore what I have said. The point is as regards the report and how that confuses English, English National Identity and English Identity. They are not making it consistently clear what they mean and in not doing so are part of the process of expunging English as an ethnic group. Now you may agree or disagree and all else flows from that but that was my point which somehow got turned on its head. I have explained how I view ethnicity, Dan has explained how he views it, we in part disagree but for some reason it raises the ire of some. To be clear I have never said you are not of English ethnicity I have questioned your insistence of being of Irish heritage and also being of English Ethnicity. I find that incongruous for those English who are just of English Heritage which is not me, not you and not my son but they do exist. You demand to be recognised as of them but also are keen to indicate you are not of them. You misrepresent me. I never said I was ethnically English, I said my nationality was English despite not being 100% ethnically English, just like your son. But you are going off on tangents and performing intellectual gymnastics to attempt to explain a glaring contradiction regarding me and your son. Similarly Dan is also being inconsistent in terms of who he applies his argument to, which suggests to me that both arguments simply don't stand up. Some time ago you did and in this thread if I recall you said you were being denied English ethnicity. I have been clear from my first post that the report was IMO an attempt to help to expunge English Ethnicity by tying it in to a non existent Nationality that people who arrived last Tuesday can have. That seemed to be the red rag for some and old wounds opened, why that should be the case I know not as I was dealing with the report and in the end got called racist, the standard catchall to win an argument that has lost any force it had. No contradiction as regards you and my son, the only difference he does not say he is anything other than English, he has no Scottish heritage his dad is Scots that's all. But English is his ethnic group not his Nationality that is British. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 19, 2024 15:37:37 GMT
Good for you. You must be very popular with the Antifa Brigade. They're very hot on the idea that Britain and England are mongrel nations, because that provides carte blanche for Immigration Enthusiasts to call for unrestricted further mongelisation. But I'll let you into a little secret. The British Isles are remarkably homogeneous genetically, much more so than any other countries in Western Europe. Anyone who knows anything about population genetics understands this simple truth. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 19, 2024 15:42:17 GMT
You misrepresent me. I never said I was ethnically English, I said my nationality was English despite not being 100% ethnically English, just like your son. But you are going off on tangents and performing intellectual gymnastics to attempt to explain a glaring contradiction regarding me and your son. Similarly Dan is also being inconsistent in terms of who he applies his argument to, which suggests to me that both arguments simply don't stand up. Some time ago you did and in this thread if I recall you said you were being denied English ethnicity. I have been clear from my first post that the report was IMO an attempt to help to expunge English Ethnicity by tying it in to a non existent Nationality that people who arrived last Tuesday can have. That seemed to be the red rag for some and old wounds opened, why that should be the case I know not as I was dealing with the report and in the end got called racist, the standard catchall to win an argument that has lost any force it had. No contradiction as regards you and my son, the only difference he does not say he is anything other than English, he has no Scottish heritage his dad is Scots that's all. But English is his ethnic group not his Nationality that is British. When did I call you racist? What your son says is neither here nor there, the fact is he is no more ethnically English than I am. If he can be English so can I, if I can't he can't. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 19, 2024 15:45:06 GMT
I don't believe I have offered such a definition. Are you thinking of my earlier one that defines an ethnie (any ethnie, not just English)? Right, if you have no definition of English nationality then you've no problem with me being English right? |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 19, 2024 15:49:40 GMT
Some time ago you did and in this thread if I recall you said you were being denied English ethnicity. I have been clear from my first post that the report was IMO an attempt to help to expunge English Ethnicity by tying it in to a non existent Nationality that people who arrived last Tuesday can have. That seemed to be the red rag for some and old wounds opened, why that should be the case I know not as I was dealing with the report and in the end got called racist, the standard catchall to win an argument that has lost any force it had. No contradiction as regards you and my son, the only difference he does not say he is anything other than English, he has no Scottish heritage his dad is Scots that's all. But English is his ethnic group not his Nationality that is British. When did I call you racist? What your son says is neither here nor there, the fact is he is no more ethnically English than I am. If he can be English so can I, if I can't he can't. I did not say you did, but I was called it. Once again why are you getting hung up on what I have not said. I only questioned how the ethnic English with English heritage would view any claim on your part to have complete and unequivocal English ethnicity when you also claim Irish heritage. If you had not claimed Irish heritage unbidden then I would not have asked that question but you did, so I asked. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 19, 2024 15:51:21 GMT
How can I provide a definition for something that doesn't exist? I have no issue whatsoever with you being whomever or whatever you wish since it's all in the mind anyway, right?
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Post by sandypine on Aug 19, 2024 15:53:35 GMT
I don't believe I have offered such a definition. Are you thinking of my earlier one that defines an ethnie (any ethnie, not just English)? Right, if you have no definition of English nationality then you've no problem with me being English right? Confusion again what do you mean by English, this is the point I made that English is a loose term that really means The English ethnic group but is being used in the report under discussion as some form of catchall for a Nationality that does not really exist. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 19, 2024 15:54:23 GMT
When did I call you racist? What your son says is neither here nor there, the fact is he is no more ethnically English than I am. If he can be English so can I, if I can't he can't. I did not say you did, but I was called it. Once again why are you getting hung up on what I have not said. I only questioned how the ethnic English with English heritage would view any claim on your part to have complete and unequivocal English ethnicity when you also claim Irish heritage. If you had not claimed Irish heritage unbidden then I would not have asked that question but you did, so I asked. Well sorry to hear that but I'm not sure what somebody else calling you racist has to do with me, why not take up with the accuser? I've been almost universally accepted as English, you wouldn't be able to pick me out among a group of 100% ethnic English people, I'd bet my house on it. |
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