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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 25, 2024 7:39:01 GMT
There are no seven star hotels. Meanwhile, China is essentially an occupied state, victim of a dictatorship. A dictatorship which needs bringing down in a revolution. Down with Xi Jinping. Solidarity with the ordinary Chinese people who want democracy and human rights. I don't think we should tell China what political system they should have, the same as I wouldn't want the Chinese to tell us what government system we should have. However you do have a valid point about the brutal human rights abuses in China. I'm also worried about the threat to Taiwan. I'm not sure that isolating China would help in the same way that isolating Russia has proved to be disastrous. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 25, 2024 8:04:18 GMT
Appeasing dictators has always been disastrous.
Standing up to Putin on the other hand, if we'd stood up to him when he illegally invaded Chechnya, the war in Ukraine might not have happened.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 25, 2024 8:30:46 GMT
There are no seven star hotels. Meanwhile, China is essentially an occupied state, victim of a dictatorship. A dictatorship which needs bringing down in a revolution. Down with Xi Jinping. Solidarity with the ordinary Chinese people who want democracy and human rights. I don't think we should tell China what political system they should have, the same as I wouldn't want the Chinese to tell us what government system we should have. However you do have a valid point about the brutal human rights abuses in China. I'm also worried about the threat to Taiwan. I'm not sure that isolating China would help in the same way that isolating Russia has proved to be disastrous. China has a problem where the Taiwanese politicians have sucked up to the Americans. The same has recently happened in the Philippines and also Argentina. There is absolutely no animosity between mainlanders and those living in Taiwan. They are the same people. It's as if Manchester suddenly declared itself a soviet state. What the hell would we have done if that happened eh? |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 25, 2024 8:52:48 GMT
Taiwan did right and they need the Yanks.
The Yanks have prevented invasion.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 25, 2024 9:08:27 GMT
Taiwan did right and they need the Yanks. The Yanks have prevented invasion. The reason is the Yanks own a lot of TSMC so they protect their baby or else they are fucked. If TSMC went down there would be a worldwide chip shortage. It's actually a point of vulnerability for their military. None of the military hardware would work without the chips. That's how they think: military first always. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 25, 2024 9:11:19 GMT
Appeasing dictators has always been disastrous. Standing up to Putin on the other hand, if we'd stood up to him when he illegally invaded Chechnya, the war in Ukraine might not have happened. I'm not talking about appeasement. I totally agree with your second paragraph, and add Crimea to that too. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 25, 2024 9:14:57 GMT
China has a problem where the Taiwanese politicians have sucked up to the Americans. That doesn’t give them the right to invade. And if the people of Taiwan don't want the Chinese army, then they shouldn't go. We may not agree with the French politicians but that doesn't give us the right to invade France. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 25, 2024 9:17:40 GMT
Appeasing dictators has always been disastrous. Standing up to Putin on the other hand, if we'd stood up to him when he illegally invaded Chechnya, the war in Ukraine might not have happened. I'm not talking about appeasement. I totally agree with your second paragraph, and add Crimea to that too. Crimea is part of Ukraine. It was invaded ten years ago. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 25, 2024 9:20:57 GMT
Exactly. My point is if we'd have done something then we might not be in the situation now. Sanctions haven't worked and neither has ostrasising Putin.
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 25, 2024 9:21:56 GMT
I thought the thread is about China and potential economic ties with the UK.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 25, 2024 9:33:47 GMT
China has a problem where the Taiwanese politicians have sucked up to the Americans. That doesn’t give them the right to invade. The only fucking place being invaded is the UK. This is our problem. We can't see what is in front of our noses but believe total fiction on the other side of the world. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 25, 2024 10:19:41 GMT
And you seem like a pub bore that gets shitty when their bullshit is pointed out . I am saying something useful . I saying that your bullshit that ‘ honour’ is a part of Chinese culture is wrong . I’m saying that ‘ face’ is and face is a different thing . Face can involve bitterness and revenge . Trying to resist posting bullshit fed to you by your CCP chums and you won’t get triggered by the reaction to it. Maybe stop being a little bitch that cries when someone doesn’t believe your crap. Ah so you don't like criticism. You should curtail your own then. It seems like the only kind of conversation you can have is telling us what you don't like. You have told me I'm full of bullshit a million times so it is like water off a ducks back. I'm waiting for the record to jump to the next groove. Maybe is will be stuck forever if I leave it. I guess we will have Vinny along soon to tell us to round them up, put them in a field and bomb the bastards. Mr ace hypocrite complaining Russia is too trigger happy. It’s you that doesn’t like criticism . You post bullshit , become a little bitch when the bullshit is ( repeatedly) refuted , then try to turn your bitchiness back to the people who put you right . Maybe you should change the ‘brown nosing ‘to China record over . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 25, 2024 10:24:27 GMT
I thought the thread is about China and potential economic ties with the UK. It is, but maybe even you are bright enough to see the relevance of Russia to that? 🤔 |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 25, 2024 10:37:57 GMT
Taiwan is unfinished business with the Kuomintang .
It’s a thorn in the side of the CCP.
As one poster nearly got right ,’ face ‘ is very important part of Chinese culture and while Taiwan is independent and close to the US , China will lose face .
They broke the agreement that they had with the UK over Hong Kong ….and they rubbed our noses in it.
We are a long way down the road from telling the Chinese what to do .
The only thing that we can do is contain them and keep trading with them .
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 25, 2024 10:57:01 GMT
I thought the thread is about China and potential economic ties with the UK. It is, but maybe even you are bright enough to see the relevance of Russia to that? 🤔 I only see the thread topic being derailed with your support. If you want to discuss Russia then create yet another thread or join one of Vinny's collection of threads on the topic. There are plenty, which may offer you the opportunity to actually post something interesting and intelligent for a change. |
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