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Post by Bentley on Dec 3, 2022 14:34:58 GMT
I didn’t say ‘ want to control ‘either . No you said 'try to' You do know that people only 'try to' achieve things they 'want to' happen don't you? Are you referring to the unions? I can see this turning into a semantic argument . Do you have you dictionary beside the keyboard? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 15:39:19 GMT
If we are being honest leaving the EU has compouded our problems. The unions are fighting for fair pay and conditions for their members. Not a pay cut as the Tory government want. Its barmy to deny climate change. That doesn’t refute the point made . The union are fighting for more power and influence for the unions . They will achieve that if Labour win the next elections . I don’t doubt that the union leaders want better pay for their members but I think know that their demands won’t be fully achieved . No one said we should deny climate change . The strawman is noted . Don't talk daft, they are representing their members wishes and asking for an increase in their pay and protection of their conditions. It has nothing to do with wanting more power. No, their claims won't be achieved but they want the best they can get, just like all negotiations. Of course, a few people causing disruption is more important than the message. 🤣 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 3, 2022 15:50:54 GMT
There are plenty enough home-grown nation-wreckers on the job without having to resort to fantasies about the EU. Britain is very much a minority interest on the continent these days. Nobody cares. With food inflation at 17.3%, unemployment at 6% and a very real danger of the lights going out, I agree, the EU has more pressing matters to worry about. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 3, 2022 15:52:57 GMT
That doesn’t refute the point made . The union are fighting for more power and influence for the unions . They will achieve that if Labour win the next elections . I don’t doubt that the union leaders want better pay for their members but I think know that their demands won’t be fully achieved . No one said we should deny climate change . The strawman is noted . Don't talk daft, they are representing their members wishes and asking for an increase in their pay and protection of their conditions. It has nothing to do with wanting more power. No, their claims won't be achieved but they want the best they can get, just like all negotiations. Of course, a few people causing disruption is more important than the message. 🤣 Don’t talk daft yourself . The Unions are fighting to achieve a Labour government in the next election . They know that what they can achieve for their members will be minimal. It’s all about weakening the Tories . YOU..”Of course, a few people causing disruption is more important than the message. 🤣” I never said that . Second Strawman is noted . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 16:16:29 GMT
Don't talk daft, they are representing their members wishes and asking for an increase in their pay and protection of their conditions. It has nothing to do with wanting more power. No, their claims won't be achieved but they want the best they can get, just like all negotiations. Of course, a few people causing disruption is more important than the message. 🤣 Don’t talk daft yourself . The Unions are fighting to achieve a Labour government in the next election . They know that what they can achieve for their members will be minimal. It’s all about weakening the Tories . YOU..”Of course, a few people causing disruption is more important than the message. 🤣” I never said that . Second Strawman is noted . Having a Labour government is not the priority, it is their members that is their priority. You called the climate activist 'barmy' if you support the idea of the government doing something you should be agreeing with them, not trying to ridicule them. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 3, 2022 16:22:42 GMT
Don’t talk daft yourself . The Unions are fighting to achieve a Labour government in the next election . They know that what they can achieve for their members will be minimal. It’s all about weakening the Tories . YOU..”Of course, a few people causing disruption is more important than the message. 🤣” I never said that . Second Strawman is noted . Having a Labour government is not the priority, it is their members that is their priority. A Labour government would give the unions more influence and power. Don’t pretend that the unions have no political agenda and don’t imply that protecting the members and a political agenda is mutually exclusive. I’ve been a union member all of my working life and I remember when they were extremely powerful . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 17:11:11 GMT
Having a Labour government is not the priority, it is their members that is their priority. A Labour government would give the unions more influence and power. Don’t pretend that the unions have no political agenda and don’t imply that protecting the members and a political agenda is mutually exclusive. I’ve been a union member all of my working life and I remember when they were extremely powerful . Do you mean a Labour government would listen? Labour's goals and the union's goals are more or less the same. The Tories want to suppress wages and keep profits high. The unions today are not the same as they were yesteryear, stop living in the past. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2022 10:26:34 GMT
A Labour government would give the unions more influence and power. Don’t pretend that the unions have no political agenda and don’t imply that protecting the members and a political agenda is mutually exclusive. I’ve been a union member all of my working life and I remember when they were extremely powerful . Do you mean a Labour government would listen? Labour's goals and the union's goals are more or less the same. The Tories want to suppress wages and keep profits high. The unions today are not the same as they were yesteryear, stop living in the past. The unions are weaker than yesterday. You are correct in that they both have a political objective .Being naive suits you . |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2022 10:34:17 GMT
Don’t talk daft yourself . The Unions are fighting to achieve a Labour government in the next election . They know that what they can achieve for their members will be minimal. It’s all about weakening the Tories . YOU..”Of course, a few people causing disruption is more important than the message. 🤣” I never said that . Second Strawman is noted . You called the climate activist 'barmy' if you support the idea of the government doing something you should be agreeing with them, not trying to ridicule them. . So you would support BNP if it had an agenda for a carbon neutral Uk? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 12:24:13 GMT
Do you mean a Labour government would listen? Labour's goals and the union's goals are more or less the same. The Tories want to suppress wages and keep profits high. The unions today are not the same as they were yesteryear, stop living in the past. The unions are weaker than yesterday. You are correct in that they both have a political objective .Being naive suits you . Not so sure they are weaker today, they have come on a long way. They have a goal of a fair deal for workers across the country, that is not political it is social. Do you disagree with workers having a fair deal? Do you agree they should have below inflation pay deal, they are not a rise, while bosses pay millions to their shareholders? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 12:24:28 GMT
You called the climate activist 'barmy' if you support the idea of the government doing something you should be agreeing with them, not trying to ridicule them. . So you would support BNP if it had an agenda for a carbon neutral Uk? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 12:26:35 GMT
You called the climate activist 'barmy' if you support the idea of the government doing something you should be agreeing with them, not trying to ridicule them. . So you would support BNP if it had an agenda for a carbon neutral Uk? No, I would not support BNP, but I would support it from any political party, even the Tories. Unlike you I can find good policies in most parties. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 4, 2022 12:41:22 GMT
No you said 'try to' You do know that people only 'try to' achieve things they 'want to' happen don't you? Are you referring to the unions? I can see this turning into a semantic argument . Do you have you dictionary beside the keyboard? That was just one example The OP is a load of paranoid rubbish and you know it so why are you trying to defend it? As for dictionaries: www.dictionary.com/ |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2022 13:21:36 GMT
. So you would support BNP if it had an agenda for a carbon neutral Uk? No, I would not support BNP, but I would support it from any political party, even the Tories. Unlike you I can find good policies in most parties. Well there you go then . I can call climate ACTIVISTS barmy but still agree that climate change exists . Unlike you I’m not an idiot who presents false claims ie claiming that I cannot find good policies in most parties . |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2022 13:23:56 GMT
Are you referring to the unions? I can see this turning into a semantic argument . Do you have you dictionary beside the keyboard? That was just one example The OP is a load of paranoid rubbish and you know it so why are you trying to defend it? As for dictionaries: www.dictionary.com/ I highlighted some points that were not unreasonable. Don’t lie and accuse me of defending the whole OP. Yes I knew the dictionary would come out but I can’t be bothered to read the link. |
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