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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 3, 2022 18:57:59 GMT
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Post by Toreador on Dec 3, 2022 20:12:27 GMT
Generally any party talks about PR when they've just been licked in an election. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 7, 2022 20:32:19 GMT
What really surprises me, given what we know, some people still voted Tory, what kind of people are they? The kind at the top of the pay scale who don’t fancy a return to 83% income tax and 15% employee NI I guess |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2022 20:46:02 GMT
What really surprises me, given what we know, some people still voted Tory, what kind of people are they? The kind at the top of the pay scale who don’t fancy a return to 83% income tax and 15% employee NI I guess The ones you describe are a rather small minority of the electorate. Many much further down the pay scale must be voting Tory too, and the stats show this tendency is strongest amongst tabloid reading older people. When I used to be in a political party going door to door, the amount of older people I encountered parroting some absolute bollocks they'd read in the tabloids and thinking this made them sound intelligent was unreal. Because all I kept hearing was a gullible twat incapable of thinking for himself who believed every ounce of crap he was being spoon fed. And therein lies a large part of the reservoir of Tory voters. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 7, 2022 20:48:32 GMT
The real point here is that the 2019 election saw over 70% of the electorate turn out to return a Labour MP with 49% of the votes cast giving a majority in the region of six and a half thousand.
The 2022 election saw the total electorate drop by about 2000 but barely 45% of them bothered to get off their arses to vote.
Who were the stay at homes and why did they not vote ?
Yes Labour increased their majority so lots of last times tories didn’t vote Tory but did they stay at home or vote labour ? We have no way to know.
Is this a Rishi kicking ? Hopefully yes.
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Post by see2 on Dec 7, 2022 20:57:29 GMT
What really surprises me, given what we know, some people still voted Tory, what kind of people are they? The kind at the top of the pay scale who don’t fancy a return to 83% income tax and 15% employee NI I guess They were desperate times, and but for the discovery of North Sea Oil and Natural gas the country would have remained in an absolute economic mess. Pity Thatcher privatised our share of it. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 7, 2022 22:15:04 GMT
The kind at the top of the pay scale who don’t fancy a return to 83% income tax and 15% employee NI I guess They were desperate times, and but for the discovery of North Sea Oil and Natural gas the country would have remained in an absolute economic mess. Pity Thatcher privatised our share of it. Well actually, dad had a new company car every year courtesy of IBM who plaid him a fortune and provided a pension few outside MPs have today, Mum didn’t have to work but did, part time for the police surgeon, prescriptions were 20p an item, beer was 42p a pint and I had more disposable income than I ever had at any time since thanks to every penny of my earnings every month since Thatcher came to power vanishing in mortgage, rates, water rates, electricity and gas bills. Entry to university pretty much guaranteed me a job IF I graduated because I was doing a course to get the paperwork mandatory to do the job I wanted, jobs were there straight out of school for those who wanted them and industry apprenticeships provided the training that these days they send you to university to waste your time acquiring as you’ll never find a job doing it. The only difference between them and now really is as a young man l lived in fear of the mortgage demand, as a late middle aged man I lived in fear of the council tax bill that vastly exceeded it, and as a man who should have retired but cannot afford to today I shiver in fear of the electricity bill that dwarfs both. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 7, 2022 22:34:32 GMT
They were desperate times, and but for the discovery of North Sea Oil and Natural gas the country would have remained in an absolute economic mess. Pity Thatcher privatised our share of it. Well actually, dad had a new company car every year courtesy of IBM who plaid him a fortune and provided a pension few outside MPs have today, Mum didn’t have to work but did, part time for the police surgeon, prescriptions were 20p an item, beer was 42p a pint and I had more disposable income than I ever had at any time since thanks to every penny of my earnings every month since Thatcher came to power vanishing in mortgage, rates, water rates, electricity and gas bills. Entry to university pretty much guaranteed me a job IF I graduated because I was doing a course to get the paperwork mandatory to do the job I wanted, jobs were there straight out of school for those who wanted them and industry apprenticeships provided the training that these days they send you to university to waste your time acquiring as you’ll never find a job doing it. The only difference between them and now really is as a young man l lived in fear of the mortgage demand, as a late middle aged man I lived in fear of the council tax bill that vastly exceeded it, and as a man who should have retired but cannot afford to today I shiver in fear of the electricity bill that dwarfs both. Four visits cap in hand to the IMF the last one in 1976(?), I think if it hadn't been for the North Sea oil and gas the UK economy would have continued to decline. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 7, 2022 22:42:59 GMT
The kind at the top of the pay scale who don’t fancy a return to 83% income tax and 15% employee NI I guess The ones you describe are a rather small minority of the electorate. Many much further down the pay scale must be voting Tory too, and the stats show this tendency is strongest amongst tabloid reading older people. When I used to be in a political party going door to door, the amount of older people I encountered parroting some absolute bollocks they'd read in the tabloids and thinking this made them sound intelligent was unreal. Because all I kept hearing was a gullible twat incapable of thinking for himself who believed every ounce of crap he was being spoon fed. And therein lies a large part of the reservoir of Tory voters. Yes, the electorate of the UK are incredibly stupid if they dont vote for politicians you support.. Funnily enough I have heard other people claiming that as well..  |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 7, 2022 22:45:13 GMT
The kind at the top of the pay scale who don’t fancy a return to 83% income tax and 15% employee NI I guess The ones you describe are a rather small minority of the electorate. Many much further down the pay scale must be voting Tory too, and the stats show this tendency is strongest amongst tabloid reading older people. When I used to be in a political party going door to door, the amount of older people I encountered parroting some absolute bollocks they'd read in the tabloids and thinking this made them sound intelligent was unreal. Because all I kept hearing was a gullible twat incapable of thinking for himself who believed every ounce of crap he was being spoon fed. And therein lies a large part of the reservoir of Tory voters. It's just that one such fellow was a family friend. He redeveloped a lot of post war London, building office blocks in the 1960s. The thing is that if he had never existed the D-Day landing would have probably fucked up and there would be a lot of missing business and more jobless around London. He was a man who created stuff. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 7, 2022 22:58:13 GMT
The ones you describe are a rather small minority of the electorate. Many much further down the pay scale must be voting Tory too, and the stats show this tendency is strongest amongst tabloid reading older people. When I used to be in a political party going door to door, the amount of older people I encountered parroting some absolute bollocks they'd read in the tabloids and thinking this made them sound intelligent was unreal. Because all I kept hearing was a gullible twat incapable of thinking for himself who believed every ounce of crap he was being spoon fed. And therein lies a large part of the reservoir of Tory voters. Yes, the electorate of the UK are incredibly stupid if they dont vote for politicians you support.. Funnily enough I have heard other people claiming that as well.. Maybe they are they did after all prove themselves to be incredibly stupid by keeping Thatcher in office for 11 years. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 7, 2022 23:04:19 GMT
Yes, the electorate of the UK are incredibly stupid if they dont vote for politicians you support.. Funnily enough I have heard other people claiming that as well.. Maybe they are they did after all prove themselves to be incredibly stupid by keeping Thatcher in office for 11 years. Or they were incredibly clever in keeping Labour out of office for 11 years - as ever you forget I was there. FFS half of the Labour Party didn't want Michael Foot let alone the country..  |
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Post by see2 on Dec 7, 2022 23:39:29 GMT
Maybe they are they did after all prove themselves to be incredibly stupid by keeping Thatcher in office for 11 years. Or they were incredibly clever in keeping Labour out of office for 11 years - as ever you forget I was there. FFS half of the Labour Party didn't want Michael Foot let alone the country.. I forget nothing, I was there as was well, the difference being I look at the situation objectively while you beaver away concocting some sort of imaginary excuses. I can clearly see why and how Thatcher came to office, it is her last 6 years in office that reveals the stupidity of the British electorate, remember the electorate were so stupid they had to wait for her own party to get rid of her. Foot was never in office but that misfit righty Thatcher was. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 0:07:53 GMT
The ones you describe are a rather small minority of the electorate. Many much further down the pay scale must be voting Tory too, and the stats show this tendency is strongest amongst tabloid reading older people. When I used to be in a political party going door to door, the amount of older people I encountered parroting some absolute bollocks they'd read in the tabloids and thinking this made them sound intelligent was unreal. Because all I kept hearing was a gullible twat incapable of thinking for himself who believed every ounce of crap he was being spoon fed. And therein lies a large part of the reservoir of Tory voters. Yes, the electorate of the UK are incredibly stupid if they dont vote for politicians you support.. Funnily enough I have heard other people claiming that as well.. That's a straw man because I never said that. I said too many people gullibly believe stupid shit they read in the tabloids. Since most of them print pro-Tory propaganda on behalf of the wealthy elites who own them, the stupid vote does quite often go to the Tories. But some of the stuff these gullible prats believe just because they read it in the gutter press is utterly mind boggling. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 8, 2022 11:25:03 GMT
Yes, the electorate of the UK are incredibly stupid if they dont vote for politicians you support.. Funnily enough I have heard other people claiming that as well.. That's a straw man because I never said that. I said too many people gullibly believe stupid shit they read in the tabloids. Since most of them print pro-Tory propaganda on behalf of the wealthy elites who own them, the stupid vote does quite often go to the Tories. But some of the stuff these gullible prats believe just because they read it in the gutter press is utterly mind boggling. Well put, I would liked to have added 'see-2 likes this' as well, but I don't know how its done. |
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