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Post by dappy on Dec 3, 2022 14:23:24 GMT
Midterm byelection, the result is hardly a surprise. In fact, the only surprise would have been Labour not winning. I remember you arguing that the Wakefield and Tiverton by election results were not bad for Johnson. How did that insight turn out I wonder?? |
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Post by dappy on Dec 3, 2022 14:26:19 GMT
It's not the result as such, it's the swing (13.6%) which IIRC is higher than normal for mid term by elections but points more towards hung parliament than a Labour win A Labour win with a working majority at the next election wouldn't surprise me. The vast majority of people I come into contact with are Tory voters. Some of them like me are party members. Yet many of them say they have had it with the conservative party and the reason has nothing to do with net-zero or the economy or the cost of living crisis. Every time this issue comes up in conversation long standing Tory voters say the same thing, they are absolutely sick of mass illegal immigration from the EU. This is a real issue, it's an issue people are angry about and it's an issue the government don't seem to understand. It is also ' the' issue that will ensure the Tories lose the next election. Funny how everyone you come into contact with and the “hidden majority” always mirror exactly whatever nonsense you are currently spouting, Red. |
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Post by patman post on Dec 3, 2022 14:33:58 GMT
It's not the result as such, it's the swing (13.6%) which IIRC is higher than normal for mid term by elections but points more towards hung parliament than a Labour win A Labour win with a working majority at the next election wouldn't surprise me. The vast majority of people I come into contact with are Tory voters. Some of them like me are party members. Yet many of them say they have had it with the conservative party and the reason has nothing to do with net-zero or the economy or the cost of living crisis. Every time this issue comes up in conversation long standing Tory voters say the same thing, they are absolutely sick of mass illegal immigration from the EU. This is a real issue, it's an issue people are angry about and it's an issue the government don't seem to understand. It is also ' the' issue that will ensure the Tories lose the next election. If you’re part of the group responsible for giving us Truss, why should worry about what you consider important? Had we got Sunak right away, without the incompetent Maggie wannabe tanking the economy, and pushing up the costs of state and personal borrowings, we might well be in a better place than now… |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 3, 2022 14:52:30 GMT
It's not the result as such, it's the swing (13.6%) which IIRC is higher than normal for mid term by elections but points more towards hung parliament than a Labour win A Labour win with a working majority at the next election wouldn't surprise me. The vast majority of people I come into contact with are Tory voters. Some of them like me are party members. Yet many of them say they have had it with the conservative party and the reason has nothing to do with net-zero or the economy or the cost of living crisis. Every time this issue comes up in conversation long standing Tory voters say the same thing, they are absolutely sick of mass illegal immigration from the EU. This is a real issue, it's an issue people are angry about and it's an issue the government don't seem to understand. It is also ' the' issue that will ensure the Tories lose the next election. How many asylum seekers do you think there may be in Chester? How big an effect do you think it had on this election? On a serious note, is that what you talk about with your mates? 🤔 I don't think it's ever come up as a topic of conversation in my social world. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 3, 2022 14:56:12 GMT
A Labour win with a working majority at the next election wouldn't surprise me. The vast majority of people I come into contact with are Tory voters. Some of them like me are party members. Yet many of them say they have had it with the conservative party and the reason has nothing to do with net-zero or the economy or the cost of living crisis. Every time this issue comes up in conversation long standing Tory voters say the same thing, they are absolutely sick of mass illegal immigration from the EU. This is a real issue, it's an issue people are angry about and it's an issue the government don't seem to understand. It is also ' the' issue that will ensure the Tories lose the next election. If you’re part of the group responsible for giving us Truss, why should worry about what you consider important? Had we got Sunak right away, without the incompetent Maggie wannabe tanking the economy, and pushing up the costs of state and personal borrowings, we might well be in a better place than now… I'm not asking you to worry about anything, let alone what I think is important. I have an opinion, you make your own mind up. Truss has nothing to do with the illegal invasion from the EU, she wasn't in office long enough to make a difference. And it's not just Sunaks fault, it's not just Boris's fault either, it's not any single individual's fault. It's the collective fault of this and previous conservative governments. Perhaps, because they have been in office so long, they've become complacent, I don't know. But I do know they are not listening to their voters and supporters. The bottom line is; 'In my experience' the Tory faithful are abandoning the party due to continued mass illegal immigration. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 3, 2022 15:00:39 GMT
A Labour win with a working majority at the next election wouldn't surprise me. The vast majority of people I come into contact with are Tory voters. Some of them like me are party members. Yet many of them say they have had it with the conservative party and the reason has nothing to do with net-zero or the economy or the cost of living crisis. Every time this issue comes up in conversation long standing Tory voters say the same thing, they are absolutely sick of mass illegal immigration from the EU. This is a real issue, it's an issue people are angry about and it's an issue the government don't seem to understand. It is also ' the' issue that will ensure the Tories lose the next election. How many asylum seekers do you think there may be in Chester? How big an effect do you think it had on this election? On a serious note, is that what you talk about with your mates? 🤔 I don't think it's ever come up as a topic of conversation in my social world. I suspect the only people who know how many illegals are in Chester, or the country for that matter, are civil servants in the Home Office, and they are hardly likely to tell the truth anyway. We talk about various things over a pint, right now football and politics seem to be quite popular. Who knew lol. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 3, 2022 15:53:07 GMT
The civil service won't know where the illegals are, or they would deport them! 😂 I'm talking about asylum seekers.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 3, 2022 15:54:20 GMT
The civil service won't know where the illegals are, or they would deport them! 😂 I'm talking about asylum seekers. LOL, of course you are. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 3, 2022 17:30:47 GMT
None of the political parties have released or published manifesto's yet for the 2024 General Election, however we do have policy announcements, and we have an idea what the Labour Party will do if it gets into government. My favourite policy announcements are GREAT BRITISH ENERGY - an energy company which will compete alongside the other energy companies, but will be publicly owned, no shareholders, no fat profits going abroad, and any profits re-invested into clean energy. RENATIONALISATION or Part NATIONALISATION of Railways - ending the years of farce ant utter chaos here up North, where many people simply refuse to use the railways because they are just so unreliable. Buying a railway ticket on Transpenine or Northern Rail is like putting a penny into a one armed bandit, the train MIGHT turn up, or it MIGHT NOT, its a game of chance. Put it this way ............... A Labour government cannot be any worse than the last few years Here's the Reform UK policy which isn't about to change much. assets.nationbuilder.com/reformuk/pages/124/attachments/original/1668962190/Reform-is-Essential-Nov2022.pdf |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 3, 2022 17:34:26 GMT
The civil service won't know where the illegals are, or they would deport them! 😂 I'm talking about asylum seekers. Are you talking about those who have applied or those who will scream "Asylum" once they're rumbled. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 3, 2022 17:37:24 GMT
I agree that it would have been a surprise if Labour hadn't have won, I wouldn't have expected anything else. What we are looking at here was whether the installation of Sunak following the drubbings that the Tories had in Amersham & Chesham and Honiton & Tiverton under Johnson had made any difference. Looks like the answer was little. As Toreador said, there may be some stay at home Tory voters here, so the question would be can Sunak motivate them. To say that it is just mid term blues is very disingenuous. What is the point of Tory supporters coming out to vote when all they get is Labour at the end of it. remember this government had a landslide victory in 2019 with an 80 seat majority - yet has failed to enact a single conservative policy. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 3, 2022 17:43:40 GMT
None of the political parties have released or published manifesto's yet for the 2024 General Election, however we do have policy announcements, and we have an idea what the Labour Party will do if it gets into government. My favourite policy announcements are GREAT BRITISH ENERGY - an energy company which will compete alongside the other energy companies, but will be publicly owned, no shareholders, no fat profits going abroad, and any profits re-invested into clean energy. Energy supply companies have been going broke for the past year - so unless you believe that this GREAT BRITISH ENERGY company is going to get involved in oil and gas drilling (where?) then I'm not sure how much profits will actually materialise. Already happened - 'Great British Railways' was created to own the infrastructure, receive fare revenue, run and plan the network and set most fares and timetables, and to replace the franchise system with new passenger service contracts (like TfL). |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 3, 2022 18:02:11 GMT
Both Mrs R and I have been giving Reform a sideways glance for some time, she is just as pissed off with the Tories as I am. A lot could happen between now and the election, but I can see us voting Reform. One thing I don't like is PR, and Richard Tice is very keen on it. I suppose we'll have to wait and see, like I said, a lot could happen over the next two years. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 3, 2022 18:22:42 GMT
If you want a PR system labour are going to have one in there 2024 party manifesto.
So You can vote for labour come 20 24
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 3, 2022 18:47:57 GMT
If you want a PR system labour are going to have one in there 2024 party manifesto. So You can vote for labour come 20 24 I have no idea why Labour would support PR, it would be the death of the Labour party. PR would make coalition government the norm, it would be the end of strong majority governments, it would reduce the ability of parties to stick to manifesto promises and it would give disproportionate power to small parties. Which is why small parties like the LibDems are so keen on PR. |
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