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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 2, 2022 8:16:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 8:22:29 GMT
What really surprises me, given what we know, some people still voted Tory, what kind of people are they?
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 2, 2022 8:26:30 GMT
Yea very good victory labour hold on with a 13% swing in votes from conservatives to even thou the turnout wss liw at 47% it 7s a massive bliw to sunak
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 2, 2022 8:33:36 GMT
What really surprises me, given whagovernmentt we know, some people still voted Tory, what kind of people are they? Of course oeople still voted Tory some peoplis better off with a tory goventment have you ever been to chester/cheshire its a very wealthy area . labour have held onto the seat since 2005 what is a measure of labiur success |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 2, 2022 10:37:27 GMT
It rather looks like Tories didn't turn out to vote.
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 2, 2022 10:52:01 GMT
It rather looks like Tories didn't turn out to vote. That has become rather a theme this year. But if you don't vote, your viewpoint doesn't get represented. Are there lots of Tories in Chester who can't bring themselves to vote for this lot? Yes, certainly. Can Sunak change their mind in 2 years? Pressure is definitely on, with odds against. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 2, 2022 11:20:17 GMT
It rather looks like Tories didn't turn out to vote. That has become rather a theme this year. But if you don't vote, your viewpoint doesn't get represented. Are there lots of Tories in Chester who can't bring themselves to vote for this lot? Yes, certainly. Can Sunak change their mind in 2 years? Pressure is definitely on, with odds against. Many people don't get their viewpoint represented by the three main parties and people who don't vote can hardly be held responsible for the mess this country is in and has been in for decades; those who vote are responsible for that. On a different note, Richard Tice may well be looking at Reform UK's polling and thinking of little acorns. |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 2, 2022 11:50:44 GMT
Many people have very little if any interest in Politics or Politicians these days, and who can blame them what a sorry bunch to choose from
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 2, 2022 12:02:55 GMT
That has become rather a theme this year. But if you don't vote, your viewpoint doesn't get represented. Are there lots of Tories in Chester who can't bring themselves to vote for this lot? Yes, certainly. Can Sunak change their mind in 2 years? Pressure is definitely on, with odds against. Many people don't get their viewpoint represented by the three main parties and people who don't vote can hardly be held responsible for the mess this country is in and has been in for decades; those who vote are responsible for that. On a different note, Richard Tice may well be looking at Reform UK's polling and thinking of little acorns. You point out that no everyone is represented by the 3 main parties (true) but then try to post this as a positive for a candidate who failed miserably to pick up the stay at home Tory voters. Doesn't sound like they mopped up any of these disaffected Tory voters here, if that was the plan? |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 2, 2022 13:17:58 GMT
Many people don't get their viewpoint represented by the three main parties and people who don't vote can hardly be held responsible for the mess this country is in and has been in for decades; those who vote are responsible for that. On a different note, Richard Tice may well be looking at Reform UK's polling and thinking of little acorns. You point out that no everyone is represented by the 3 main parties (true) but then try to post this as a positive for a candidate who failed miserably to pick up the stay at home Tory voters. Doesn't sound like they mopped up any of these disaffected Tory voters here, if that was the plan? They are, as you say, stay at home Tory voters. Some people would never vote for an alternative to their own party though I suspect that among the Reform votes were a smatteing of disaffected supporters of other parties. I compared Reform votes with those of the Greens and Lib Dems and by comparison it was a decent result. As a matter of interest I much reduced my support for Reform UK when Farage and Tice withdrew what were Brexit Party candidates from constituencies where Labour were a threat to the Tories. It was a mistake that cost a lot of Reform support right across the country, it alienated many candidates who were withdrawn along with their team of supporters who were all dressed up with nowhere to go, it also stopped the ability to judge the true strength of the party; I was supporting two candidates both of whom were withdrawn. You can add to that the appointment of Tice's deputy, seemingly without a vote, not because the deputy is gay but because he was not the best man for the job; nowhere near it. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 2, 2022 13:39:23 GMT
You point out that no everyone is represented by the 3 main parties (true) but then try to post this as a positive for a candidate who failed miserably to pick up the stay at home Tory voters. Doesn't sound like they mopped up any of these disaffected Tory voters here, if that was the plan? They are, as you say, stay at home Tory voters. Some people would never vote for an alternative to their own party though I suspect that among the Reform votes were a smatteing of disaffected supporters of other parties. I compared Reform votes with those of the Greens and Lib Dems and by comparison it was a decent result. As a matter of interest I much reduced my support for Reform UK when Farage and Tice withdrew what were Brexit Party candidates from constituencies where Labour were a threat to the Tories. It was a mistake that cost a lot of Reform support right across the country, it alienated many candidates who were withdrawn along with their team of supporters who were all dressed up with nowhere to go, it also stopped the ability to judge the true strength of the party; I was supporting two candidates both of whom were withdrawn. You can add to that the appointment of Tice's deputy, seemingly without a vote, not because the deputy is gay but because he was not the best man for the job; nowhere near it. Yep, agree with a lot of that. Ironically, if they'd have stood and picked up some votes, it was likely to be at the cost of the antithesis of what they were standing for. That was the ultimate decision that Tice and Farage had to make. They would have had little to no representation at Westminster. It may have had an effect on the other parties, of course, we will never know what the outcome would have been. The layout of the court now in 2022 is very different. Brexit happened, like it or not, in 2020. It hasn't gone well and the public have moved on. They don't want to hear about it. It's inextricably linked to Farage and Tice though. I don't see them hoovering up any lost Tory or Labour votes though. They had their moments in the limelight, and made the decision to stand down. They had their day. |
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Post by Cartertonian on Dec 2, 2022 14:04:47 GMT
What really surprises me, given what we know, some people still voted Tory, what kind of people are they? I suspect a significant chunk of 'Tory' voters (a minority - but significant nonetheless) are not Tories so much as they are Anti-Labour. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 14:44:25 GMT
Well its an Omen of things to come
As I stated in another post, its begining to feel like ( not Christmas ), but the run-up to the 1997 General Election when the NHS was in crisis, the Tories stumbled from one disaster to another, and the polls consistently gave Labour a massive lead.
There is absolutelly nothing on the horizon which could boost the Tories, just a crumbling NHS, recession, rising fuel bills, strikes and gloom.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 15:45:22 GMT
What really surprises me, given what we know, some people still voted Tory, what kind of people are they? I suspect a significant chunk of 'Tory' voters (a minority - but significant nonetheless) are not Tories so much as they are Anti-Labour. As I said, what sort of people are they, voting against their own interests. |
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Post by piglet on Dec 2, 2022 15:53:46 GMT
An independant politician on the BBC said that the vote in Chester taken nationally points to a narrow Tory win in a general election. The interviewer was taken aback.
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