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Post by wapentake on Oct 25, 2024 12:12:51 GMT
I think you will find Handy that the police stated that they had completed their investigation. When the shit first hit the fan after the CPD were first critised.. Indeed I remember , however it is possible the CPS may have seen a weakness in the Police Investigation and asked the Police to strengthen it up which often happens, even if that is the case it should have been done by now Last updated on their website 10 days ago  |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 25, 2024 12:22:41 GMT
Indeed I remember , however it is possible the CPS may have seen a weakness in the Police Investigation and asked the Police to strengthen it up which often happens, even if that is the case it should have been done by now Last updated on their website 10 days ago Great thank you that Confirms the IOPC is involved which is delaying matters either the four suspects appear to have made a complaint to them, or the Police possibly referred the case to them, that is why there is a delay |
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Post by Hutchyns on Oct 25, 2024 13:41:33 GMT
Handyman A quick look at the IOPC site gives an outline as to their involvement. Initially I'd suggest that they leaned on the GMP to make sure that a referral was made.  Then on the 8th August, the IOPC updated to say that they'd now received a further referral two days earlier (on 6th August).  Given that the initial investigation kicked off on July 25th and they're expecting to wrap it up it within 6 months, we might learn of their conclusions before February.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 25, 2024 14:14:01 GMT
Great thank you that Confirms the IOPC is involved which is delaying matters either the four suspects appear to have made a complaint to them, or the Police possibly referred the case to them, that is why there is a delay The left wing anti police quango known as the IOPC should, and with a sense of urgency, be scrapped. It was set up for one reason and one reason only, to appease vociferous aggressive minorities. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 25, 2024 16:22:15 GMT
Handyman A quick look at the IOPC site gives an outline as to their involvement. Initially I'd suggest that they leaned on the GMP to make sure that a referral was made. Then on the 8th August, the IOPC updated to say that they'd now received a further referral two days earlier (on 6th August). Given that the initial investigation kicked off on July 25th and they're expecting to wrap it up it within 6 months, we might learn of their conclusions before February. Thank You appreciated I like facts |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 25, 2024 16:31:25 GMT
Great thank you that Confirms the IOPC is involved which is delaying matters either the four suspects appear to have made a complaint to them, or the Police possibly referred the case to them, that is why there is a delay The left wing anti police quango known as the IOPC should, and with a sense of urgency, be scrapped. It was set up for one reason and one reason only, to appease vociferous aggressive minorities. The IOPC used to employ retired Police Officers to carry out investigations and take statements I doubt if they do now , before that years ago the Met used to have a Complaints Department called A10 that investigated complaints against Officers, if that is still the case I don't know. I agree with your opinion on the IOPC |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 25, 2024 16:41:46 GMT
The left wing anti police quango known as the IOPC should, and with a sense of urgency, be scrapped. It was set up for one reason and one reason only, to appease vociferous aggressive minorities. The IOPC used to employ retired Police Officers to carry out investigations and take statements I doubt if they do now , before that years ago the Met used to have a Complaints Department called A10 that investigated complaints against Officers, if that is still the case I don't know. I agree with your opinion on the IOPC If such a quango is retained, and the IOPC has only been around since 2018, it should as you say be made up of retired police officers, not senior or very senior police officers but time served rank & file officers with experience under their belt. Unfortunately that would not go down very well with woke lefties or minorities. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Oct 25, 2024 18:44:09 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 25, 2024 19:09:47 GMT
Handyman 11% is outrageous. There are more than a thousand people on the IOPC? So who the hell are they, vicars social workers and community elders? Who are these anonymous people who decide the fate of front line police officers? This is ridiculous. It's almost as bad as civilians deciding the fate of a soldier who may or may not have strictly observed the rules of war. The lunatics really are in charge. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 27, 2024 9:49:31 GMT
Handyman 11% is outrageous. There are more than a thousand people on the IOPC? So who the hell are they, vicars social workers and community elders? Who are these anonymous people who decide the fate of front line police officers? This is ridiculous. It's almost as bad as civilians deciding the fate of a soldier who may or may not have strictly observed the rules of war. The lunatics really are in charge. It's hard to know what to do about this when all the institutions that might be used to address the situation are also similarly riddled If you set up an investigation into the decisions of the IOPC, the investigation will be run by the home office 'machinery' If you try to sack these people, they will likely file legal challenges that will end up in front of our judiciary - who may force a government to rehire them (racism or similar) if you abolish the department, the home office machinery will resist this and even if it can't prevent it, it will have a hand in forming whatever replaces it I'm not saying getting this sorted is impossible, but I am casting about for how it might be possible. Our end goal is institutions run along principles that the bulk of the British public would recognise as a common-sense reality. How do we get there from here? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2024 10:28:21 GMT
It's hard to know what to do about this when all the institutions that might be used to address the situation are also similarly riddled If you set up an investigation into the decisions of the IOPC, the investigation will be run by the home office 'machinery' If you try to sack these people, they will likely file legal challenges that will end up in front of our judiciary - who may force a government to rehire them (racism or similar) if you abolish the department, the home office machinery will resist this and even if it can't prevent it, it will have a hand in forming whatever replaces it I'm not saying getting this sorted is impossible, but I am casting about for how it might be possible. Our end goal is institutions run along principles that the bulk of the British public would recognise as a common-sense reality. How do we get there from here? I agree, it is indeed hard to know what to do about it, it is also in my opinion equally obvious where the problems lie. These days thanks to the culture of diversity equity and inclusion, or woke, our institutions have become far too minority appeasing, far too 'understanding' far too touchy feely. These days feelings are more important than the truth, this approach is having a huge detrimental effect on the publics confidence in our institutions. In order to restore public confidence woke must be scrapped, which we all know is not going to happen any time soon. Or before the next election anyway. |
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