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Post by aristaeus on Aug 8, 2024 9:22:17 GMT
He was born and raised in Wales. if you are born in a stable it doesn't make you a horse. There is a guy on this forum who was also born and raised in Wales , and he categorically says he isnt welsh in terms of national identity , because national identity is a mindset. So can you prove this guy was welsh or not , or are you going to continue to make assumptions for him? If you don't understand the difference between nationality and animal species, I don't know what to say. National identity is not nationality. He was born in Wales so he is Welsh regardless of whether he feels Welsh or not. I understand you're probably very disappointed that this guy wasn't a Muslim or an illegal immigrant, and I understand that this fact won't stop you blaming Muslims and immigrants and trying to burn down mosques and hotels, but you're just going to have to accept this horrible attack was done by a Welshman. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 8, 2024 9:25:08 GMT
if you are born in a stable it doesn't make you a horse. There is a guy on this forum who was also born and raised in Wales , and he categorically says he isnt welsh in terms of national identity , because national identity is a mindset. So can you prove this guy was welsh or not , or are you going to continue to make assumptions for him? If you don't understand the difference between nationality and animal species, I don't know what to say. National identity is not nationality. He was born in Wales so he is Welsh regardless of whether he feels Welsh or not. And once again people deny ethnicity. Welsh is an ethnicity, it has to be as you cannot have an ethnic minority, as the stabber was, without having an ethnic majority. That ethnic majority is Welsh. |
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Post by aristaeus on Aug 8, 2024 9:28:00 GMT
If you don't understand the difference between nationality and animal species, I don't know what to say. National identity is not nationality. He was born in Wales so he is Welsh regardless of whether he feels Welsh or not. And once again people deny ethnicity. Welsh is an ethnicity, it has to be as you cannot have an ethnic minority, as the stabber was, without having an ethnic majority. That ethnic majority is Welsh. No, Welsh is a nationality. The ethnic majority of Wales is white. The ethnicity of the stabber is irrelevant unless it was somehow part of his motivation, which there is no evidence of. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 9:28:06 GMT
if you are born in a stable it doesn't make you a horse. Ah, Bernard Manning level racism. Well done. Guess you are outed now. Of course, if that stable was in Wales it would make you Welsh. All The Best yawn. If you cant hold a debate without resorting to screaming racist , or begging the mods to report members for racism , whether real or imagined , I suggest adult debating forums aren't for you. I was born in a stable called Britain , but dont see myself as a British horse , so how this concept of national identity is Bernard manning level racism is beyond me. dry your eyes hen , calm down ,and have another go. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 9:30:10 GMT
if you are born in a stable it doesn't make you a horse. There is a guy on this forum who was also born and raised in Wales , and he categorically says he isnt welsh in terms of national identity , because national identity is a mindset. So can you prove this guy was welsh or not , or are you going to continue to make assumptions for him? National identity is not nationality. He was born in Wales so he is Welsh regardless of whether he feels Welsh or not. I understand you're probably very disappointed that this guy wasn't a Muslim or an illegal immigrant, and I understand that this fact won't stop you blaming Muslims and immigrants and trying to burn down mosques and hotels, but you're just going to have to accept this horrible attack was done by a Welshman. I repeat. Can you prove he is welsh , or are you just going to keep trying to futilely justify your own personal label for him ? prove it? if you cant , again we can dismiss your latest gibbering as the nonsense that they are. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 8, 2024 10:03:19 GMT
And once again people deny ethnicity. Welsh is an ethnicity, it has to be as you cannot have an ethnic minority, as the stabber was, without having an ethnic majority. That ethnic majority is Welsh. No, Welsh is a nationality. The ethnic majority of Wales is white. The ethnicity of the stabber is irrelevant unless it was somehow part of his motivation, which there is no evidence of. What a piece of rubbish the ethnic majority is not white as Jews are white and also an ethnic minority, Poles are white and an ethnic minority. Do you want to try again. Welsh is seen by the Welsh as an ethnic group and you say they are not. Oh and English in Wales are usually white and an ethnic minority. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 8, 2024 10:29:59 GMT
This guy was born in New York - does that make him an American?  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 8, 2024 11:12:37 GMT
This guy was born in New York - does that make him an American? LOL.... he's a bloody idiot  |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 8, 2024 12:00:17 GMT
It may well transpire that he is a racist, but we don't know at this stage. I think the question for me is if the killer was white, would you similarly demand this information? For example with Kyle Clifford, would you want the fact that he was white to be emphasised? So the question is: when is the ethnicity of criminals important to announce to the public? A) All the time B) When the victims are of a different ethnicity to the victim(s) C) Only when they are black or brown Not an easy question to answer. Fair points, but the incident didn't happen in a vacuum. I live 20 miles away and work even closer, so I know many people local to Southport. Everybody local knew he wasn't white through word out of mouth from witnesses... and with WhatsApp information spreads very quickly. Like with the Manchester Airport incident demonstrated, I think it's important to get some basic facts out quickly before the bad actors can set a narrative. I can't see why everybody is beating about the bush, these are race riots sparked by a black man killing three white children. Denying it, especially when the mainstream took the knee over George Floyd (before any trial), just ramps up tensions even further. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 8, 2024 12:14:23 GMT
It may well transpire that he is a racist, but we don't know at this stage. I think the question for me is if the killer was white, would you similarly demand this information? For example with Kyle Clifford, would you want the fact that he was white to be emphasised? So the question is: when is the ethnicity of criminals important to announce to the public? A) All the time B) When the victims are of a different ethnicity to the victim(s) C) Only when they are black or brown Not an easy question to answer. Fair points, but the incident didn't happen in a vacuum. I live 20 miles away and work even closer, so I know many people local to Southport. Everybody local knew he wasn't white through word out of mouth from witnesses... and with WhatsApp information spreads very quickly. Like with the Manchester Airport incident demonstrated, I think it's important to get some basic facts out quickly before the bad actors can set a narrative. I can't see why everybody is beating about the bush, these are race riots sparked by a black man killing three white children. Denying it, especially when the mainstream took the knee over George Floyd (before any trial), just ramps up tensions even further. Totally agree with your third paragraph. With regards to your fourth, I'm unsure. Isn't saying that a perp is black just stoking tensions and encouraging the less cognitively balanced to go after other black people? If the fact that he is black is a factor in the crime, then totally agree, but that's certainly not clear here. All of these riots have been because they thought the perp was a Muslim. They then thought it was OK to go after all Muslims, even though it was nothing to do with them. |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 8, 2024 12:33:21 GMT
Fair points, but the incident didn't happen in a vacuum. I live 20 miles away and work even closer, so I know many people local to Southport. Everybody local knew he wasn't white through word out of mouth from witnesses... and with WhatsApp information spreads very quickly. Like with the Manchester Airport incident demonstrated, I think it's important to get some basic facts out quickly before the bad actors can set a narrative. I can't see why everybody is beating about the bush, these are race riots sparked by a black man killing three white children. Denying it, especially when the mainstream took the knee over George Floyd (before any trial), just ramps up tensions even further. Totally agree with your third paragraph. With regards to your fourth, I'm unsure. Isn't saying that a perp is black just stoking tensions and encouraging the less cognitively balanced to go after other black people? If the fact that he is black is a factor in the crime, then totally agree, but that's certainly not clear here. All of these riots have been because they thought the perp was a Muslim. They then thought it was OK to go after all Muslims, even though it was nothing to do with them. This is my point, the bad actors want to go after the Muslims, so you have to nip it in the bud early on and control the narrative. Accademics have warned about this for half a century. When news becomes instant Democracies will die because they cannot act quickly enough. The only hope is to act quickly and decisively, or you let others steal the narrative. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 8, 2024 12:42:41 GMT
...If the fact that he is black is a factor in the crime, then totally agree, but that's certainly not clear here... Oh do come off it, Andy: If the perpetrator was white and the victims black the MSM, the government and probably you would be screaming "Racism" immediately. Of course it was racist. Jeez... |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 8, 2024 13:13:52 GMT
...If the fact that he is black is a factor in the crime, then totally agree, but that's certainly not clear here... Oh do come off it, Andy: If the perpetrator was white and the victims black the MSM, the government and probably you would be screaming "Racism" immediately. Of course it was racist. Jeez... Nope, I wait for the facts before drawing a conclusion. DodgyDave is correct about people drawing conclusions without the correct information. You have demonstrated that quite admirably here. 🙃 |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 8, 2024 13:18:42 GMT
Oh do come off it, Andy: If the perpetrator was white and the victims black the MSM, the government and probably you would be screaming "Racism" immediately. Of course it was racist. Jeez... Nope, I wait for the facts before drawing a conclusion. DodgyDave is correct about people drawing conclusions without the correct information. You have demonstrated that quite admirably here. 🙃  |
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Post by aristaeus on Aug 8, 2024 14:16:53 GMT
National identity is not nationality. He was born in Wales so he is Welsh regardless of whether he feels Welsh or not. I understand you're probably very disappointed that this guy wasn't a Muslim or an illegal immigrant, and I understand that this fact won't stop you blaming Muslims and immigrants and trying to burn down mosques and hotels, but you're just going to have to accept this horrible attack was done by a Welshman. I repeat. Can you prove he is welsh , or are you just going to keep trying to futilely justify your own personal label for him ? His nationality has been confirmed by the police. No one who knows him has come out and contradicted this, so his nationality is not in doubt. Can you prove he isn't Welsh, since you're the one casting doubt on the official line? |
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