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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 18, 2024 6:50:00 GMT
The basic fact is that vaccines are not risk-free and some vaccines are more risky than others. The other basic vact is that Vaccines usually provide some protection from the disease they're targeted at and some vaccines are more effective than others - and some vaccines are not very effective and don't provide protection for very long.
The problem I see with the Covid vaccines (and ALL Corona viruses like those for the common cold) is that they are definitely risky and they are not very effectual (you can still catch the virus) and they require repeated "boosters" to have any effect at all - adding to the risk.
Whether you think they're worth the risk for the limited protection they provide is very difficult to evaluate - it depends on how old you are, how dangerous the virus is etc. Personally I've decided not to have any more because the virus has become fairly mild and there are known risks to the vaccine. And part of my concern is that the govt is never honest about the bad effects of vaccines. Anyone who tries to point out problems is vilified by the medical profession and/or struck off.
An object lesson in the dangers of vaccines was when a mass polio vaccination program across parts of Africa caused the break out of HIV in the '80s. It's plainly obvious what happened but the medical profession will NEVER admit it.
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 18, 2024 11:47:17 GMT
Blaming Kier Starmer for excess deaths in these stats gathered before he was elected … is rather lame, tbh.. It's a joke dude, because he is about to cause another spike in excess deaths via freezing pensioners to death, and shaming them into topping themselves so they are not a burden. |
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 18, 2024 12:04:26 GMT
The basic fact is that vaccines are not risk-free and some vaccines are more risky than others. The other basic vact is that Vaccines usually provide some protection from the disease they're targeted at and some vaccines are more effective than others - and some vaccines are not very effective and don't provide protection for very long. The problem I see with the Covid vaccines (and ALL Corona viruses like those for the common cold) is that they are definitely risky and they are not very effectual (you can still catch the virus) and they require repeated "boosters" to have any effect at all - adding to the risk. Whether you think they're worth the risk for the limited protection they provide is very difficult to evaluate - it depends on how old you are, how dangerous the virus is etc. Personally I've decided not to have any more because the virus has become fairly mild and there are known risks to the vaccine. And part of my concern is that the govt is never honest about the bad effects of vaccines. Anyone who tries to point out problems is vilified by the medical profession and/or struck off. An object lesson in the dangers of vaccines was when a mass polio vaccination program across parts of Africa caused the break out of HIV in the '80s. It's plainly obvious what happened but the medical profession will NEVER admit it. You cannot become an expert on anything via Google. Health experts weigh up the risk vs benefits of any medical intervention and then act in good faith. To believe otherwise is just to fall into a conspiracy mindset. If your doctor says you are in a risk group and advises you to have a Covid / flu / shingles / pneumococcal vaccine, they are offering that advice in good faith because they believe the risks are worth it. You can try arguing with your doctor that some shit you read off the internet is as valid as the medical papers they have read, but what you are doing is akin to a football fan saying he could manage a Premier League team because he has "watched some matches". |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 19, 2024 5:45:36 GMT
The basic fact is that vaccines are not risk-free and some vaccines are more risky than others. The other basic vact is that Vaccines usually provide some protection from the disease they're targeted at and some vaccines are more effective than others - and some vaccines are not very effective and don't provide protection for very long. The problem I see with the Covid vaccines (and ALL Corona viruses like those for the common cold) is that they are definitely risky and they are not very effectual (you can still catch the virus) and they require repeated "boosters" to have any effect at all - adding to the risk. Whether you think they're worth the risk for the limited protection they provide is very difficult to evaluate - it depends on how old you are, how dangerous the virus is etc. Personally I've decided not to have any more because the virus has become fairly mild and there are known risks to the vaccine. And part of my concern is that the govt is never honest about the bad effects of vaccines. Anyone who tries to point out problems is vilified by the medical profession and/or struck off. An object lesson in the dangers of vaccines was when a mass polio vaccination program across parts of Africa caused the break out of HIV in the '80s. It's plainly obvious what happened but the medical profession will NEVER admit it. You cannot become an expert on anything via Google. Health experts weigh up the risk vs benefits of any medical intervention and then act in good faith. To believe otherwise is just to fall into a conspiracy mindset. ++++++ If your doctor says you are in a risk group and advises you to have a Covid / flu / shingles / pneumococcal vaccine, they are offering that advice in good faith because they believe the risks are worth it. You can try arguing with your doctor that some shit you read off the internet is as valid as the medical papers they have read, but what you are doing is akin to a football fan saying he could manage a Premier League team because he has "watched some matches". I agree that you can't become an expert via google. But I'm not claiming to be an expert on anything. Unfortunately the doctors are also not experts on Covid - or probably anything else. Basically you have to read the information ans make up your own mind what to do IMO. The attitude of the doctors to the vaccines is that basically vaccination saves lives overall so their duty is to advise everybody to be vaccinated. But the fact is that some people will be badly damaged or even killed by the vaccines - and that's a fact. You might be one of those people. So for the individual person it's a lottery whether it's to your advantage to get vaccinated. In the case of Covid, in its current incarnation, I reckon most people are best advised to take the chance of catching it rather than take the chance on the vaccine. And no doctor can tell me I'm wrong. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 19, 2024 6:49:02 GMT
The basic fact is that vaccines are not risk-free and some vaccines are more risky than others. The other basic vact is that Vaccines usually provide some protection from the disease they're targeted at and some vaccines are more effective than others - and some vaccines are not very effective and don't provide protection for very long. The problem I see with the Covid vaccines (and ALL Corona viruses like those for the common cold) is that they are definitely risky and they are not very effectual (you can still catch the virus) and they require repeated "boosters" to have any effect at all - adding to the risk. Whether you think they're worth the risk for the limited protection they provide is very difficult to evaluate - it depends on how old you are, how dangerous the virus is etc. Personally I've decided not to have any more because the virus has become fairly mild and there are known risks to the vaccine. And part of my concern is that the govt is never honest about the bad effects of vaccines. Anyone who tries to point out problems is vilified by the medical profession and/or struck off. An object lesson in the dangers of vaccines was when a mass polio vaccination program across parts of Africa caused the break out of HIV in the '80s. It's plainly obvious what happened but the medical profession will NEVER admit it. You cannot become an expert on anything via Google. Health experts weigh up the risk vs benefits of any medical intervention and then act in good faith. To believe otherwise is just to fall into a conspiracy mindset. If your doctor says you are in a risk group and advises you to have a Covid / flu / shingles / pneumococcal vaccine, they are offering that advice in good faith because they believe the risks are worth it. You can try arguing with your doctor that some shit you read off the internet is as valid as the medical papers they have read, but what you are doing is akin to a football fan saying he could manage a Premier League team because he has "watched some matches". The reason trust in the NHS’s of the Western World has reached rock bottom … is healthcare has been monetised, turned into a goldmine … and is now being run by Trust Hospitals we don’t TRUST and business managers and drug pushers rather than health care professionals who actually care if we live or die … and actually know what’s good for us. Pardon me if we are cynical and think there is a conspiracy to kill us right now … by people who don’t give a sh*t. When scientists and doctors who are experienced frontline professionals are blowing the whistle on serious GROWING side effect concerns … are being struck off and silenced by Governments, Big Pharma and the MSM owned by tribes running these HUGE GREEDY business empires … just because they want to talk openly about protein clotting and other life threatening conditions that spiked after this massive mRNA new vaccine therapy was rolled out in a hurry … naturally …WE KNOW NASTY CROOKS AND MURDERERS ARE IN OUR BUILDING. We already have serious concerns indemnity was given to drug companies like Pfizer … already accused, convicted and fined $$$billions in the USA for malpractice over drug trial results and false efficacy claims WELL BEFORE this Plandemic and Covid vaccine FIASCO was rolled out …. and patents were applied for … months before the Wuhan lab ‘leak’. Naturally we need to stop children being vaccinated with mRNA gene jabs immediately … as children are not dying from covid and we need FULL TRANSPARENCY from independent labs and research … to nail what is going badly wrong here. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 19, 2024 6:58:09 GMT
The virus came from Communist China, first being detected in 2019. It spread from Wuhan, believed to have emerged from the wet markets that sell bat meat.
The Tories didn't close our borders, they mismanaged the pandemic, but the pandemic came from dictatorial CHINA. Not George Soros, Yanks or Jews.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 19, 2024 8:37:10 GMT
For those out there struggling with Covid/mRNA vaccine damage and long Covid … this discussion is worth checking.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 19, 2024 11:17:52 GMT
Long Covid is a consequence of the virus, not the vaccines.
Derek Draper died from long Covid because he wasn't vaccinated when he caught the virus and it played havoc with him.
Remember the death of Derek Draper, or hadn't you heard of him in the Russian Web Brigade office?
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 20, 2024 5:58:42 GMT
The virus came from Communist China, first being detected in 2019. It spread from Wuhan, believed to have emerged from the wet markets that sell bat meat. The Tories didn't close our borders, they mismanaged the pandemic, but the pandemic came from dictatorial CHINA. Not George Soros, Yanks or Jews. No. The virus came from bats in the caves of Hunan (IIRC) which is a long way from Wuhan. The connection with Wuhan is that the virus was taken to the WIV (Wuhan Institute of Virology) for experimentation (for gain of function). And the Tories didn't close our borders because, by the time we found out about Covid, it was already spreading in the UK. So closing our borders would have been pointless. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 20, 2024 6:02:36 GMT
Chinese immigrants with COVID continued coming in, un-quarantined.
Of course we should have closed the borders.
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 22, 2024 15:56:39 GMT
The virus came from Communist China, first being detected in 2019. It spread from Wuhan, believed to have emerged from the wet markets that sell bat meat. The Tories didn't close our borders, they mismanaged the pandemic, but the pandemic came from dictatorial CHINA. Not George Soros, Yanks or Jews. No. The virus came from bats in the caves of Hunan (IIRC) which is a long way from Wuhan. The connection with Wuhan is that the virus was taken to the WIV (Wuhan Institute of Virology) for experimentation (for gain of function). And the Tories didn't close our borders because, by the time we found out about Covid, it was already spreading in the UK. So closing our borders would have been pointless. So if there's a hole in your roof and the rain is pouring in it is pointless to fix the hole because the rain is already inside? That makes no sense at all. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 22, 2024 17:06:31 GMT
It didn't matter what the government did (or didn't do) large scale studies have shown that there is no association between stringency of government lockdowns/restrictions & Covid-19 mortality.
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 22, 2024 23:20:38 GMT
It didn't matter what the government did (or didn't do) large scale studies have shown that there is no association between stringency of government lockdowns/restrictions & Covid-19 mortality. Well d'uh. I don't think anyone was suggesting that. Mortality comes AFTER infection. Mortality is the % of those killed ONCE INFECTED. Closing the borders reduces two things: 1) The number of incomers potentially bringing more infection to the country and therefore 2) The 5 of the population that becomes infected. It is a basic principle of epidemiology that the fewer people infected the lower the overall mortality rate. Not rocket science, eh? All The Best |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 23, 2024 6:22:21 GMT
Chinese immigrants with COVID continued coming in, un-quarantined. Of course we should have closed the borders. By the time we knew about Covid it was already in the country and spreading. According to the virologists that means it was too late to close the borders - it would have made no difference. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 23, 2024 7:24:16 GMT
What people need to realise is the vaccine rarely delivered any immunity to the World … and 31 million excess deaths wiped out any benefits a few weaker patients might have garnered.
Ultra lockdown just destroyed economies, introduced Orwellian Fascist mandates and delayed the date the super vulnerable died.
Inoculated people still died … but they wrote it off as being all sorts of other reasons than the jab … every death was written as Covid or long Covid …
… the post mortem reporting system hid the truth from the Public … and relatives couldn’t question true cause of death … because their loved ones were in the ground … and would never be exhumed.
Like plague deaths … all sorts of NHS ‘crimes’ and ‘incompetence’ was hidden by PHE/SAGE and other ‘Agencies’ shoe-horned in to give immunity to all the criminality that popped up during this terrible time.
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