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Post by Vinny on Aug 22, 2024 7:26:36 GMT
New Zealand closed the borders, locked down, and took the economic hit rather than deaths.
Here we kept the borders open, especially with China.
That decision was disastrous.
We should have closed the borders for the duration of the pandemic.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 22, 2024 7:36:52 GMT
New Zealand closed the borders, locked down, and took the economic hit rather than deaths. Here we kept the borders open, especially with China. That decision was disastrous. We should have closed the borders for the duration of the pandemic. I think there was a lot of people who did not understand why closing the borders did not happen if we could, and did, effectively keep the whole of the country under house arrest. Only returning Citizens allowed back in and isolated for 2 weeks, push back boats in the channel and strict control on all areas of importation of goods with immediate returns for breaking the emergency laws. We got the impression then that non British Citizens were far more important that British Citizens and that impression has persisted. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 22, 2024 7:49:53 GMT
We could have closed the borders and should have closed the borders to quarantine. We didn't, and people from Wuhan province in China came in weren't quarantined at all, and the virus spread even after lockdowns were announced.
This catastrophic mismanagement has really cost the Tories.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Aug 23, 2024 10:44:03 GMT
It’s difficult to get chart data on excess deaths up to 2024 … … but if you study this website and tap in Countries with different levels of lockdown … from Strict (New Zealand) to lax (Sweden) … and UK/Germany compared …. you can see from this data … in the ALL AGE section… (Sweden only has data for All Ages) ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline…. that there is very little difference between excess mortality rates in all Countries … so lockdown policy made little to no difference to excess mortality numbers. [I was planning to drop a screenshot of the chart showing these countries above in comparison … but Forum Admin is BLOCKING me from dropping photo content now. … but not other members it seems??(war-monger Vinny etc) Hardly a level playing field for debate, eh? …. Members need to Petition Tinculin to stop this recent censorship practice! ] |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 24, 2024 11:32:16 GMT
We could have closed the borders and should have closed the borders to quarantine. We didn't, and people from Wuhan province in China came in weren't quarantined at all, and the virus spread even after lockdowns were announced. This catastrophic mismanagement has really cost the Tories. No we couldn't close the borders, are supply chains are too integrated with the EU. New Zealand is pretty self-sufficient, which tends to happen when you are an island surrounded by a thousand miles of sea! The UK did no worse than other comparable countries (ie ones with high density populations). As for how it spread into the UK, the first cases came in via people returning from Skiing trips in Europe, and people holidaying in the Canary Islands. The biggest villian in Covid is China, they tried to cover it up (a) its existence (b) how dangerous it was. That's before we even talk about the real possibility that they actually caused the pandemic in the first place via a lab leak. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 24, 2024 11:47:14 GMT
We could have closed the borders, to people.
Especially Chinese people, from Wuhan.
But Boris didn't want to be accused of racism.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 24, 2024 15:32:01 GMT
We could have closed the borders and should have closed the borders to quarantine. We didn't, and people from Wuhan province in China came in weren't quarantined at all, and the virus spread even after lockdowns were announced. This catastrophic mismanagement has really cost the Tories. No we couldn't close the borders, are supply chains are too integrated with the EU. New Zealand is pretty self-sufficient, which tends to happen when you are an island surrounded by a thousand miles of sea! The UK did no worse than other comparable countries (ie ones with high density populations). As for how it spread into the UK, the first cases came in via people returning from Skiing trips in Europe, and people holidaying in the Canary Islands. The biggest villian in Covid is China, they tried to cover it up (a) its existence (b) how dangerous it was. That's before we even talk about the real possibility that they actually caused the pandemic in the first place via a lab leak. Supply chains move goods. So no need to let people across the borders. All The Best |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 12, 2024 4:06:23 GMT
Get real guys … you cannot lock down a virulent flu virus in a FREE SOCIETY.
Did you really want to suffer the severe Orwellian lockdowns of Australia and New Zealand ?? …. or the Nazi forced inoculation programmes of Austria and China??
…. eventually a Typhoid Mary will slip through any net. … sooner or later the herd will be thinned … and those with a weakness … a susceptibility to this virus … will be discovered … and maybe slip away unnoticed today … when the MSM is no longer interested in hyping up their deaths to make ££€€€$$$$$$ billions for crooked vaccine toxic snake oil salesmen in the medical profession … that left a legacy of 31 million excess deaths.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 13, 2024 7:19:07 GMT
You can pause immigration, quarantine, run the clock down through lockdown and get rid of the Corona virus (it isn't flu). The Tories kept the borders open, especially to China, as a result the virus kept being imported.
And it is the Coronavirus outbreak, not vaccination that caused the excess deaths. Throughout 2020 there were no vaccines available. Huge number of deaths here whilst government fuck up after government fuck up took place.
And then? Eat out to help out, you can go to the pub if you have a "substantial meal". Cock up after cock up whilst they kept immigration going. And there's still no quarantine facilities in case something happens again.
There were problems a few years ago with Ebola, no lessons were learned. No quarantine facilities were built.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 14, 2024 7:05:01 GMT
It confirms that most of the measures taken by those in Authority that were “supposed to increase our chances of survival” …. had PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE EFFECT ….Hence a shocking 31 million EXCESS deaths. Hmmm … Naïve rubbish that assumes had Governments done nothing the excess death toll would not have happened. It would have, it would have been an order of magnitude higher. Had the UK not locked-down when it did there would literally have been bodies piling up in the street, with no one to take them away and dispose of them; leading to secondary casualties from a new wave of disease and infection from the decomposing bodies. All The Best Sweden followed this policy … which was the UK’s original strategy for dealing with flu pandemics … relying on ‘herd immunity’. Their economy wasn’t decimated … and their death toll wasn’t much different to the rest of Europe. This was a Plandemic … because 4 years before the outbreak … UK strategy for handling virulent flu epidemics was in the hands of expert virologists in the NHS … and their recommendations were followed by Sweden … and ours were put in the hands of PHE … whose scientists and Offices used to be at Porton Down … under the control of bio-weapons experts … experts in killing people … strategies for mass euthanasia. …. which is why they recommended putting recovering COVID patients in spare beds in nursing homes … in order to deliberately kill off our vulnerable elderly population … and stop relatives monitoring this criminal situation … and even mourning their dead loved ones. EVIL TOOK OVER THE NHS … and everyone knows it … but won’t speak out honestly. The wisdom of hindsight . When it happened no one knew what the fuck to do about it. But "doing nothing" wasn't really an option either. Things would have been way, way worse had governments globally chosen to do nothing at all. All The Best Complete rubbish … 31 million excess deaths shows that being “pro-active” above the NORM … did more damage than good. 5 jabs and still no evidence their short term efficacy (3 weeks max??) worked. The West had sophisticated, well-resourced NHS’s … but this made little difference at all to the death rates worldwide … as Third World Countries had death rates similar … but no worse than wealthy economies … HERD IMMUNITY showed it’s efficacy far better than the Covid vaccine, tbh. Time you stopped believing in these snake oil salesmen. All the Best. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 14, 2024 7:18:34 GMT
You can pause immigration, quarantine, run the clock down through lockdown and get rid of the Corona virus (it isn't flu). The Tories kept the borders open, especially to China, as a result the virus kept being imported. And it is the Coronavirus outbreak, not vaccination that caused the excess deaths. Throughout 2020 there were no vaccines available. Huge number of deaths here whilst government fuck up after government fuck up took place. And then? Eat out to help out, you can go to the pub if you have a "substantial meal". Cock up after cock up whilst they kept immigration going. And there's still no quarantine facilities in case something happens again. There were problems a few years ago with Ebola, no lessons were learned. No quarantine facilities were built. That is how the bio-weapons experts of Porton Down(PHE) work … Glad you are finally acknowledging how Governments were manipulated by the Deep State … and these Plan-demics were engineered …. deliberately botched … all along the way … to cripple/kill people and destroy our economies. Don’t forget the business links and deals the U.S. Military had with bio-weapons labs around the World … and in Ukraine … and the Links Fauci and Bill Gates had with the WUHAN lab. It was another ‘Inside Job’ … just like 9/11, Vinny. Wake up, boyo … Maybe if you turn on the audio on your CIA works computer … you’ll discover the TRUTH out there one day??🤔😂👏 |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 14, 2024 9:11:59 GMT
9/11 was NOT an inside job. What a stupid conspiracy theory you have. Aziz El Hallan pilot and eyewitness www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkm5-1GN2b0Note that he saw the hijacked American Airlines 757 and that the pilot applied more throttle before it crashed into the Pentagon. Debris at the Pentagon matched N644AA. Virginia Beach Task Force 2  these men, were at the Pentagon for over a week, first to fight the fires then search and rescue of any survivors, and recovery of bodies. Not one of these firefighters saw any evidence of conspiracy. Captain Jim Ingledue (bottom left in the photo) has testified several times about what he saw. He lead the search and rescue operation there. 136 eyewitnesses on the road outside including Aziz El Hallan saw the plane approach and crash. Recorded testimonies of New York firefighters including Fire Chief Daniel Nigro, the man in charge at Ground Zero after the collapse of the Twin Towers, he later became Fire Commissioner. archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.htmlFire Chief Nigro's testimony here: Note this bit: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_A._NigroHe lost friends that day including Fire Chief Peter J Ganci Jr whom he suddenly had to take over from. There was no inside job. There was no thermite in WTC7. You've been conned. What was an inside job, were the Russian Apartment bombings. FSB Team caught at Ryazan having planted Hexogen. FSB accidentally briefed the Duma about the Volgodonsk bomb three days before it happened, instead of the bomb that had just gone off. Two Russian MPs of the Kovalev commission (which investigated the bombings because of a lack of an official inquiry) were murdered, two more were thrown in prison. Anna Politkovskaya was gunned down on Putin's birthday to shut her up. Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned with Polonium 210. 9/11 was NOT an inside job. But 9/11 conspiracy theories distract from real conspiracies like those in Russia. Meanwhile, Covid. Whether intentionally released by China or accidentally, it was a real virus and that virus killed a friend of mine and put another friend of mine in a coma for six weeks. You are posting rubbish. I am posting facts. And btw, you haven't posted in the Salvador Allende thread, the 11th September 1973 coup, supported by the Yanks and the UK. I'd have thought that thread would be right up your street. I'm on my home computer today, it has speakers. But I'm not wasting my time watching crappy conspiracy videos that pass off lies as "truth". |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 14, 2024 19:46:06 GMT
There weren't 31 Million excess deaths in the UK.
That would have been half the total UK population.
All The Best
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 15, 2024 15:48:42 GMT
31 million excess deaths was the Worldwide number … not the UK.
… If you read the OP and studied the content … ??
[… oh dear … we have another ‘Vinny-clone’ here … ]
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Post by Vinny on Sept 15, 2024 15:55:59 GMT
Funny how you always blame the West whilst excusing dictatorships like China and Russia which have their own biowarfare labs, and also produced their own vaccines.
Your arguments are always moronic and often sinister.
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