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Post by wapentake on Aug 17, 2024 20:06:03 GMT
At this rate there will be many more of them.
Personally I have always been a rebel, I believe in civil disobedience in the name of a just cause, and that is exactly what Martin Luther King was refering to "a just cause" .. equality, civil rights. During the many protests in the 1960s in the Southern states of America, there was very few instances of violent protest on behalf of the oppressed ( coloured people ), the violence was almost entirely committed against black people, by either white racists or the highly racist police forces. I personally refused to pay Margaret Thatchers Poll Tax, I went to the Magistrates Court, I helped to bring her down, for which I am very proud. Attacking people because they are coloured, Muslim, Asian or of an ethnic minority is not a just cause, neither is attempting to burn down Mosques or setting fire to hotels with people inside them, or criminal damage, looting or arson. I do not believe there will be any more riots, because the police, the CPS and our justice system has gone to great lengths in tracking down the perpetrators, and then come down extremely hard on them, dishing out the harshest of sentences. And still blanks out Rochdale |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 17, 2024 21:27:58 GMT
At this rate there will be many more of them.
Personally I have always been a rebel, I believe in civil disobedience in the name of a just cause, and that is exactly what Martin Luther King was refering to "a just cause" .. equality, civil rights. Just out of interest - who decides which causes are 'just'? |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 17, 2024 21:48:17 GMT
Personally I have always been a rebel, I believe in civil disobedience in the name of a just cause, and that is exactly what Martin Luther King was refering to "a just cause" .. equality, civil rights. Just out of interest - who decides which causes are 'just'? To a large degree its called Common Sense In apartheid South Africa there was only one Just cause or Just side, same as in the southern states of America in the civil rights movement period, there was only one Just side. In the case of the Poll Tax, many millions of people thought that Margaret Thatchers Poll Tax was unjust, its a matter of opinion, but my opinion was that a single pensioner, who's only income was the state pension, living in a flat should not have paid the same as a single person who was a millionaire, living in a castle or stately home. I dont care who disagrees with me, if I believe something is unjust, I will make my feelings known, and that could include civil disobedience. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 17, 2024 23:20:58 GMT
Just out of interest - who decides which causes are 'just'? To a large degree its called Common Sense In apartheid South Africa there was only one Just cause or Just side, same as in the southern states of America in the civil rights movement period, there was only one Just side. In the case of the Poll Tax, many millions of people thought that Margaret Thatchers Poll Tax was unjust, its a matter of opinion, but my opinion was that a single pensioner, who's only income was the state pension, living in a flat should not have paid the same as a single person who was a millionaire, living in a castle or stately home. I dont care who disagrees with me, if I believe something is unjust, I will make my feelings known, and that could include civil disobedience.Unless it’s seen to be unjust through a “ ( centre) right wing “ lens . Hypocrisy. |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 17, 2024 23:49:37 GMT
Just out of interest - who decides which causes are 'just'? To a large degree its called Common Sense In apartheid South Africa there was only one Just cause or Just side, same as in the southern states of America in the civil rights movement period, there was only one Just side. In the case of the Poll Tax, many millions of people thought that Margaret Thatchers Poll Tax was unjust, its a matter of opinion, but my opinion was that a single pensioner, who's only income was the state pension, living in a flat should not have paid the same as a single person who was a millionaire, living in a castle or stately home. I dont care who disagrees with me, if I believe something is unjust, I will make my feelings known, and that could include civil disobedience. You said (Sidfiddler) Israelis reap what they sow as young innocent civilians where being slaughtered, burnt alive, raped and captured by Hamas. You kept screaming that Palestinians needed justice. Why should the people sit back whilst psychopathic lunatics define what is or isn't just? I don't think the rioters helped the situation, but I can fully understand the frustration behind their actions, especially when Labour party supporters racially smear and dehumanise the white working classes in the UK.
The Labour party is totalitarian scum supported by psychopaths. The Labour party has lost the white working classes forever and now has to rely on those who cheerlead for actual terrorist organisations. The UK is now in the hands of a maniac.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 18, 2024 8:39:33 GMT
At this rate there will be many more of them.
Personally I have always been a rebel, I believe in civil disobedience in the name of a just cause, and that is exactly what Martin Luther King was refering to "a just cause" .. equality, civil rights. During the many protests in the 1960s in the Southern states of America, there was very few instances of violent protest on behalf of the oppressed ( coloured people ), the violence was almost entirely committed against black people, by either white racists or the highly racist police forces. I personally refused to pay Margaret Thatchers Poll Tax, I went to the Magistrates Court, I helped to bring her down, for which I am very proud. Attacking people because they are coloured, Muslim, Asian or of an ethnic minority is not a just cause, neither is attempting to burn down Mosques or setting fire to hotels with people inside them, or criminal damage, looting or arson. I do not believe there will be any more riots, because the police, the CPS and our justice system has gone to great lengths in tracking down the perpetrators, and then come down extremely hard on them, dishing out the harshest of sentences. The riots were instrumental in doing away with the poll tax. Attacking police, property and premises with bricks and bottles was part of the battle against what you saw as injustice. Throwing an iron bar into a police car with officers sitting in it was also part of that process. Without the riots the poll tax may have persisted so the riots on one level worked. If one dishes out the harshest of sentences on a rioter at the behest of government that makes the legal system part of government yet it is meant to be separate and independent with each case being judged individually and not part of a whole. The law is supposed to be applied equally. I quote from a poll tax rioter For Chris Bambery, 54, the riot was the product of a decade of "cumulative anger" that had built up against Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government. "There was an immense sense of 'them and us' in the Thatcher years and we felt it was payback time," he says. We could apply exactly the same sense of injustice to the recent riots with years of accumulated anger at being ignored as regards the immigration situation despite being promised the opposite and indeed voting for the opposite time and again. The poll tax was the product of a government legally elected and operating its manifesto pledges. The immigration unrest is the product of many governments legally elected and ignoring their manifesto pledges. Now I know which is the bigger injustice do you? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 18, 2024 9:35:26 GMT
... If one dishes out the harshest of sentences on a rioter at the behest of government that makes the legal system part of government yet it is meant to be separate and independent with each case being judged individually and not part of a whole. The law is supposed to be applied equally... That it's even possible indicates the degree to which the left have infiltrated the judiciary and the level of corruption within. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 18, 2024 9:48:33 GMT
To a large degree its called Common Sense In apartheid South Africa there was only one Just cause or Just side, same as in the southern states of America in the civil rights movement period, there was only one Just side. In the case of the Poll Tax, many millions of people thought that Margaret Thatchers Poll Tax was unjust, its a matter of opinion, but my opinion was that a single pensioner, who's only income was the state pension, living in a flat should not have paid the same as a single person who was a millionaire, living in a castle or stately home. I dont care who disagrees with me, if I believe something is unjust, I will make my feelings known, and that could include civil disobedience. You said (Sidfiddler) Israelis reap what they sow as young innocent civilians where being slaughtered, burnt alive, raped and captured by Hamas. You kept screaming that Palestinians needed justice. Why should the people sit back whilst psychopathic lunatics define what is or isn't just? I don't think the rioters helped the situation, but I can fully understand the frustration behind their actions, especially when Labour party supporters racially smear and dehumanise the white working classes in the UK.
The Labour party is totalitarian scum supported by psychopaths. The Labour party has lost the white working classes forever and now has to rely on those who cheerlead for actual terrorist organisations. The UK is now in the hands of a maniac.
There is / was no excuse for Hamas terrorists murdering innocent Israeli civilians There is no excuse for white, British thugs attacking innocent Asian people or attempting to burn down Mosques The difference is that there has been a De-facto war going on for over 70 years between the state of Israel and the Palestinian people, and though it is always wrong to deliberately target innocent civilians ( by both sides ), the Israelis have bred hatred so deep into the Palestinian people, that they have created extremists. There is no comparison between what happened in the streets of Britain and what is happening in the Middle East. The law is applied equally to all in this country, and if you were one of the small minority of people who indulged in violent disorder in the Rochdale protests, who hasent yet been arrested, the police are looking for you, and they will catch up with you. The Labour Party is the party of government because more British people voted Labour than any other political party at the general election - 2.9 million more votes than the Tories, according to your conclusion, thats an awfull lot of psychopaths. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 18, 2024 10:02:57 GMT
You said (Sidfiddler) Israelis reap what they sow as young innocent civilians where being slaughtered, burnt alive, raped and captured by Hamas. You kept screaming that Palestinians needed justice. Why should the people sit back whilst psychopathic lunatics define what is or isn't just? I don't think the rioters helped the situation, but I can fully understand the frustration behind their actions, especially when Labour party supporters racially smear and dehumanise the white working classes in the UK.
The Labour party is totalitarian scum supported by psychopaths. The Labour party has lost the white working classes forever and now has to rely on those who cheerlead for actual terrorist organisations. The UK is now in the hands of a maniac.
There is / was no excuse for Hamas terrorists murdering innocent Israeli civilians There is no excuse for white, British thugs attacking innocent Asian people or attempting to burn down Mosques The difference is that there has been a De-facto war going on for over 70 years between the state of Israel and the Palestinian people, and though it is always wrong to deliberately target innocent civilians ( by both sides ), the Israelis have bred hatred so deep into the Palestinian people, that they have created extremists. There is no comparison between what happened in the streets of Britain and what is happening in the Middle East. The law is applied equally to all in this country, and if you were one of the small minority of people who indulged in violent disorder in the Rochdale protests, who hasent yet been arrested, the police are looking for you, and they will catch up with you. The Labour Party is the party of government because more British people voted Labour than any other political party at the general election - 2.9 million more votes than the Tories, according to your conclusion, thats an awfull lot of psychopaths. Do you even believe the nonsense you post? |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 18, 2024 10:05:47 GMT
You said (Sidfiddler) Israelis reap what they sow as young innocent civilians where being slaughtered, burnt alive, raped and captured by Hamas. You kept screaming that Palestinians needed justice. Why should the people sit back whilst psychopathic lunatics define what is or isn't just? I don't think the rioters helped the situation, but I can fully understand the frustration behind their actions, especially when Labour party supporters racially smear and dehumanise the white working classes in the UK.
The Labour party is totalitarian scum supported by psychopaths. The Labour party has lost the white working classes forever and now has to rely on those who cheerlead for actual terrorist organisations. The UK is now in the hands of a maniac.
There is / was no excuse for Hamas terrorists murdering innocent Israeli civilians There is no excuse for white, British thugs attacking innocent Asian people or attempting to burn down Mosques The difference is that there has been a De-facto war going on for over 70 years between the state of Israel and the Palestinian people, and though it is always wrong to deliberately target innocent civilians ( by both sides ), the Israelis have bred hatred so deep into the Palestinian people, that they have created extremists. There is no comparison between what happened in the streets of Britain and what is happening in the Middle East. The law is applied equally to all in this country, and if you were one of the small minority of people who indulged in violent disorder in the Rochdale protests, who hasent yet been arrested, the police are looking for you, and they will catch up with you.
The Labour Party is the party of government because more British people voted Labour than any other political party at the general election - 2.9 million more votes than the Tories, according to your conclusion, thats an awfull lot of psychopaths. And finally you caught up when initially you said nothing happened,there is no excuse for anyone threatening we want our justice or else. |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 18, 2024 10:06:30 GMT
Personally I have always been a rebel, I believe in civil disobedience in the name of a just cause, and that is exactly what Martin Luther King was refering to "a just cause" .. equality, civil rights. During the many protests in the 1960s in the Southern states of America, there was very few instances of violent protest on behalf of the oppressed ( coloured people ), the violence was almost entirely committed against black people, by either white racists or the highly racist police forces. I personally refused to pay Margaret Thatchers Poll Tax, I went to the Magistrates Court, I helped to bring her down, for which I am very proud. Attacking people because they are coloured, Muslim, Asian or of an ethnic minority is not a just cause, neither is attempting to burn down Mosques or setting fire to hotels with people inside them, or criminal damage, looting or arson. I do not believe there will be any more riots, because the police, the CPS and our justice system has gone to great lengths in tracking down the perpetrators, and then come down extremely hard on them, dishing out the harshest of sentences. The riots were instrumental in doing away with the poll tax. Attacking police, property and premises with bricks and bottles was part of the battle against what you saw as injustice. Throwing an iron bar into a police car with officers sitting in it was also part of that process. Without the riots the poll tax may have persisted so the riots on one level worked. If one dishes out the harshest of sentences on a rioter at the behest of government that makes the legal system part of government yet it is meant to be separate and independent with each case being judged individually and not part of a whole. The law is supposed to be applied equally. I quote from a poll tax rioter For Chris Bambery, 54, the riot was the product of a decade of "cumulative anger" that had built up against Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government. "There was an immense sense of 'them and us' in the Thatcher years and we felt it was payback time," he says. We could apply exactly the same sense of injustice to the recent riots with years of accumulated anger at being ignored as regards the immigration situation despite being promised the opposite and indeed voting for the opposite time and again. The poll tax was the product of a government legally elected and operating its manifesto pledges. The immigration unrest is the product of many governments legally elected and ignoring their manifesto pledges. Now I know which is the bigger injustice do you? Good post. Hypocrisy of these people is all but lost on them. It's either agree with their view of just causes or be prepared for the harshest possible consequences if not. Fascist like. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 18, 2024 10:12:44 GMT
Personally I have always been a rebel, I believe in civil disobedience in the name of a just cause, and that is exactly what Martin Luther King was refering to "a just cause" .. equality, civil rights. During the many protests in the 1960s in the Southern states of America, there was very few instances of violent protest on behalf of the oppressed ( coloured people ), the violence was almost entirely committed against black people, by either white racists or the highly racist police forces. I personally refused to pay Margaret Thatchers Poll Tax, I went to the Magistrates Court, I helped to bring her down, for which I am very proud. Attacking people because they are coloured, Muslim, Asian or of an ethnic minority is not a just cause, neither is attempting to burn down Mosques or setting fire to hotels with people inside them, or criminal damage, looting or arson. I do not believe there will be any more riots, because the police, the CPS and our justice system has gone to great lengths in tracking down the perpetrators, and then come down extremely hard on them, dishing out the harshest of sentences. The riots were instrumental in doing away with the poll tax. Attacking police, property and premises with bricks and bottles was part of the battle against what you saw as injustice. Throwing an iron bar into a police car with officers sitting in it was also part of that process. Without the riots the poll tax may have persisted so the riots on one level worked. If one dishes out the harshest of sentences on a rioter at the behest of government that makes the legal system part of government yet it is meant to be separate and independent with each case being judged individually and not part of a whole. The law is supposed to be applied equally. I quote from a poll tax rioter For Chris Bambery, 54, the riot was the product of a decade of "cumulative anger" that had built up against Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government. "There was an immense sense of 'them and us' in the Thatcher years and we felt it was payback time," he says. We could apply exactly the same sense of injustice to the recent riots with years of accumulated anger at being ignored as regards the immigration situation despite being promised the opposite and indeed voting for the opposite time and again. The poll tax was the product of a government legally elected and operating its manifesto pledges. The immigration unrest is the product of many governments legally elected and ignoring their manifesto pledges. Now I know which is the bigger injustice do you? Our Justice System DOES NOT dish out sentences at the behest of the government, and no matter which political party is in government, the law is the law, the justice system is independent of government, the Crown Prosecution Service is also both independent and impartial, and the Attorney General has no influence during court proceedings. If you check back on what I stated, I stated that (quote) " I believe in civil disobedience in the name of a just cause" Civil Disobedience, does not include violence, vandalism, arson, common assault, attempted murder, racist attacks on people or property or looting. Civil Disobedience means refusal to co-operate - refusal to pay - refusal to move on - obstruction - otherwise known as "Peacefull Protest", without harming people or property. There is nothing fair or reasonable or Just in attacking innocent people simply because they are Muslims, and to attempt to suggest otherwise is tantamount to condoning assault upon innocent people. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 18, 2024 10:18:27 GMT
There is / was no excuse for Hamas terrorists murdering innocent Israeli civilians There is no excuse for white, British thugs attacking innocent Asian people or attempting to burn down Mosques The difference is that there has been a De-facto war going on for over 70 years between the state of Israel and the Palestinian people, and though it is always wrong to deliberately target innocent civilians ( by both sides ), the Israelis have bred hatred so deep into the Palestinian people, that they have created extremists. There is no comparison between what happened in the streets of Britain and what is happening in the Middle East. The law is applied equally to all in this country, and if you were one of the small minority of people who indulged in violent disorder in the Rochdale protests, who hasent yet been arrested, the police are looking for you, and they will catch up with you.
The Labour Party is the party of government because more British people voted Labour than any other political party at the general election - 2.9 million more votes than the Tories, according to your conclusion, thats an awfull lot of psychopaths. And finally you caught up when initially you said nothing happened,there is no excuse for anyone threatening we want our justice or else. Let me quote Greater Manchester Police as reported in the media: "Two days later, a protest was held outside Rochdale police station, which the force said at the time had "finished safely and without incident".
"However, detectives have now released images of five men they want to identify as they investigate an "outbreak of disorder" that night." |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 18, 2024 10:21:53 GMT
And finally you caught up when initially you said nothing happened,there is no excuse for anyone threatening we want our justice or else. Let me quote Greater Manchester Police as reported in the media: "Two days later, a protest was held outside Rochdale police station, which the force said at the time had "finished safely and without incident".
"However, detectives have now released images of five men they want to identify as they investigate an "outbreak of disorder" that night."Let me quote what I and others said at the time threatening violence if you don’t get your justice is unacceptable but you and others just adopted the line nothing happened. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 18, 2024 10:30:50 GMT
Personally I have always been a rebel, I believe in civil disobedience in the name of a just cause, and that is exactly what Martin Luther King was refering to "a just cause" .. equality, civil rights. During the many protests in the 1960s in the Southern states of America, there was very few instances of violent protest on behalf of the oppressed ( coloured people ), the violence was almost entirely committed against black people, by either white racists or the highly racist police forces. I personally refused to pay Margaret Thatchers Poll Tax, I went to the Magistrates Court, I helped to bring her down, for which I am very proud. Attacking people because they are coloured, Muslim, Asian or of an ethnic minority is not a just cause, neither is attempting to burn down Mosques or setting fire to hotels with people inside them, or criminal damage, looting or arson. I do not believe there will be any more riots, because the police, the CPS and our justice system has gone to great lengths in tracking down the perpetrators, and then come down extremely hard on them, dishing out the harshest of sentences. The riots were instrumental in doing away with the poll tax. Attacking police, property and premises with bricks and bottles was part of the battle against what you saw as injustice. Throwing an iron bar into a police car with officers sitting in it was also part of that process. Without the riots the poll tax may have persisted so the riots on one level worked. If one dishes out the harshest of sentences on a rioter at the behest of government that makes the legal system part of government yet it is meant to be separate and independent with each case being judged individually and not part of a whole. The law is supposed to be applied equally. I quote from a poll tax rioter For Chris Bambery, 54, the riot was the product of a decade of "cumulative anger" that had built up against Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government. "There was an immense sense of 'them and us' in the Thatcher years and we felt it was payback time," he says. We could apply exactly the same sense of injustice to the recent riots with years of accumulated anger at being ignored as regards the immigration situation despite being promised the opposite and indeed voting for the opposite time and again.
The poll tax was the product of a government legally elected and operating its manifesto pledges. The immigration unrest is the product of many governments legally elected and ignoring their manifesto pledges. Now I know which is the bigger injustice do you?Nail,head,hit. |
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