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Post by sandypine on Aug 13, 2024 19:34:53 GMT
1) You can but then one has to take the whole shebang. 2) I support the principle of no more asylum seekers unbidden into our territory it seems I have to be aligned with far right thugs if I take that stance. 3) The principle of the Palestinian state and the demonstrations are mixed in with all sorts of things that may be unbidden but are all intermingled. 4) Smashing up British factories is just one such action. 1) So I can, and then I can't? Which is it? Make up your mind! I can choose to support Palestinian Statehood - alongside Israeli Statehood as well - without condoning extremist Palestinians or extremist Israelis. 2) We have a legal obligation to take genuine asylum seekers; it would be naive to think that your or my personal views should trump our legal obligations. I'd only consider you "far right" if you support the thugs attempting to burn people alive in refugee hotels - do you? 3) So is the principle of Israeli Statehood - I support Israeli Statehood, but I reject the illegally occupied territories, I reject the inhumane destruction of Gaza, and the illegal collective punishment meted out to the Gazan people. 4) Smashing up any property that does not belong to them should see the culprit face criminal charges. There, see; real easy to support one part of something without accepting the whole. Anyone can do it, if they are prepared to engage the old grey matter. All The Best 1)You can but the whole shebang is forced upon you, just as I support the principle of no more asylum seekers but not the riots I am forever aligned with them as forced upon me by others. We see that clearly with the 'spontaneous' anti racist demonstrations that targeted a political group whose make up is distinctly multi-ethnic. 2) Our legal obligation is no different to Egypt's legal obligation as signatory to the convention and the protocol. 3) Of course it is as I have often said the whole issue is not a right or wrong, as each can go back one step to show injustice all the way to Masada and beyond. 4) It should and often does but it is alignment that counts. Jo Cox was killed by a man shouting Britain first and the group of that name was blamed for its rhetoric that inspired the killer. Acts cannot be divorced from the cause they are supposedly carried out for as we have seen with the riots that are blamed on Farage and Reform. The hypocrisy of this is highlighted with Islamic terror whereby killing in the cause of Islam is successfully divorced from the 'Religion of peace' by official pronouncements. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 13, 2024 21:23:00 GMT
The Palestinians have turned down statehood - repeatedly. SOME Palestinians have turned down statehood. Just like SOME Israelis condemn the illegal settlements. All The Best Well those 'some' were the Palestinian leadership - not sure who else would determine the Palestinian response to any offer tbh. |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 13, 2024 22:38:09 GMT
SOME Palestinians have turned down statehood. Just like SOME Israelis condemn the illegal settlements. All The Best Well those 'some' were the Palestinian leadership - not sure who else would determine the Palestinian response to any offer tbh. Very true. Sadly, the people are totally brainwashed by the death cult that is Hamas, and would most likely be killed by the elected government that is Hamas if they dared to condemn the continued slaughter of Israeli civilians and missile strikes. There's no point for our own Hamas supporters to be crying over the retaliation when people are running out into the streets celebrating Hamas actions. This goes on while western media rely on Hamas for war statistics, which is why the BBC publish unapologetic lies to benefit Hamas and promote further hatred toward Israel.
Of course there will be Israelis who challenge their government. We have our own people who challenge government. This may end under Starmer, but it's still currently a reality.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 14, 2024 5:14:05 GMT
So the violent Muslim mobs we saw on the street are representative of all muslims? And the rampant anti-semitism we see every saturday in the pro-palestinian marches are representative of all left-wing supporters? Are you sure?
'If you don't agree with the aims of a mob don't stand with them - simples.'
He self-righteously waddled into that one. That’s fat rightism that is  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 14, 2024 6:48:54 GMT
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Post by Orac on Aug 14, 2024 8:00:01 GMT
SOME Palestinians have turned down statehood. Just like SOME Israelis condemn the illegal settlements. All The Best Well those 'some' were the Palestinian leadership - not sure who else would determine the Palestinian response to any offer tbh. It's a semantic tactic Talk about the Palestinians™ as a class or group when leveling an accusation against others Talk about the Palestinians™ as atomised individuals when an accusation is leveled against them. This means every time the heart of the matter is cornered, the frame can be flipped in avoidance |
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Post by patman post on Aug 17, 2024 21:03:52 GMT
Stop pretending to be fucking thick; if you persist I'll just assume you are, and are this not worthy of my time. You saw the news as well as I. All The Best So the violent Muslim mobs we saw on the street are representative of all muslims? And the rampant anti-semitism we see every saturday in the pro-palestinian marches are representative of all left-wing supporters? Are you sure?
'If you don't agree with the aims of a mob don't stand with them - simples.'
Whoever said that, and for whatever reason, it’s correct. Simples… |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 17, 2024 21:24:16 GMT
So the violent Muslim mobs we saw on the street are representative of all muslims? And the rampant anti-semitism we see every saturday in the pro-palestinian marches are representative of all left-wing supporters? Are you sure?
'If you don't agree with the aims of a mob don't stand with them - simples.'
Whoever said that, and for whatever reason, it’s correct. Simples… Sorry, I disagree with you. I don't think all of those that protest against Israel on a Saturday are rampant anti-semites.... but we will have to agree to disagree. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 17, 2024 21:54:37 GMT
Pro-Palestinian marches or protests are not anti semitic, why do some posters believe that they are, are such posters devoid of all reality. ?
I am very much Pro Palestinian, and I guess that if I lived close to London, I would be happy to take part in the pro-Palestinian protests, but I am certainly not anti-semitic.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 17, 2024 21:58:45 GMT
Pro-Palestinian marches or protests are not anti semitic, why do some posters believe that they are, are such posters devoid of all reality. ? I am very much Pro Palestinian, and I guess that if I lived close to London, I would be happy to take part in the pro-Palestinian protests, but I am certainly not anti-semitic. Well you would have to take that up with Pat. The idea of his that ''If you don't agree with the aims of a mob don't stand with them" sounds great but I feel it's a tad too simplistic. |
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Post by patman post on Aug 18, 2024 11:29:45 GMT
Pro-Palestinian marches or protests are not anti semitic, why do some posters believe that they are, are such posters devoid of all reality. ? I am very much Pro Palestinian, and I guess that if I lived close to London, I would be happy to take part in the pro-Palestinian protests, but I am certainly not anti-semitic. Surely you can see that pro-Palestinian marches and protests attract anti-Semitic hangers-on, and not just those who are anti-Israeli conduct of its claimed Hamas obliteration? For what my opinion is worth: I am in favour of Palestinians being allowed to live peacefully in their land; for Israeli illegal external settlements to be disbanded; for Israel to cease (and later be accountable for) its all-out destruction of the Palestinian home land; for Hamas and its supporters to stop violent attacks on Israelis and their supporters. But while I may attend a meeting or rally, I am not going to join in any march that is likely to attract violent reaction and/or have some of its members get so worked up they themselves instigate violence. The latter is exactly what happened at a couple of the ‘anti-fascist’ protests following the recent UK riots. Why add to the difficultly of policing such events…? |
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