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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 12, 2024 16:55:46 GMT
Farage can't win under FPTP - he proved that 8 times in a row. The fact that this weekend Anti-Far-Right protestors outnumbered Far Right Protestors shows that leveraging the "angry mob" doesn't work long-term, because simply put Britain is better than that, and so trying to leverage that "angry mob" from a handful of seats to winning a majority in FPTP is a non-starter. In fact, it is such a non-starter that if the next GE is ran using FPTP I'd expect Reform to lose most, possibly all, of the seats they currently have. Farage needs to work with the current Parliament to force a vote on PR; problem is to leverage that "angry mob" he has made himself and his party so toxic I cant see the other parties that would benefit from PR actually agreeing to work with him. Farage has shown times and again he is a great antagonist to hold other parties' feet to the fire, but at wielding actual power he's next to useless; what did he achieve as an MEP - nothing? Oh, wait, he managed to sponge €Tens of Thousands off of the Taxpayer. All The Best Given the voting system Farage has done remarkably well, both with UKIP and Reform UK. You talk about anti far-right and far-right, but who are these protestors? In recent months we have all seen aggressive left wing protestors waving Hamas/Palestine flags, but in all honesty I havent seen much evidence of far-right protestors, far-right being fascists and Nazis. Or, in your opinion, is anyone who doesn't vote Labour far-right? I'm against mass immigration and I passionately want illegals who cross the channel sent back to France. In your opinion does that make me far-right? For all the reasons I've mentioned many times previously PR would be a disaster for this country, FPTP is far from perfect but it's preferable to endless weak coalitions, and the only people who regard Farage as 'toxic' are people who don't like him, lefties. Are you forgetting that Reform UK is just three years old yet 4¼ million people voted Reform. No new party in British political history has ever achieved five MP's in three years. Farage has shown time and again he is bloody good at what he does, had it not been for Farage and UKIP the referendum would not have happened and I'll let you into the worst kept secret in Westminster, Labour and centrist Tories for that matter, are not looking forward to Farage standing up in PMQ's for the next five years making statements and asking questions that Starmer would rather not listen to, or answer. You know perfectly well thanks to mass immigration and net zero that this one term government is likely to be the most unpopular government in living memory, as such the Tories will move back to the centre right because that's what people will want. But if in the unlikely event that people like Billy Hague and others get their way and the Tory party remain centrist, there will only be one winner, Farage and Reform UK. One day the political establishment might, just might, accept the fact that people are sick of mass immigration or the fact that Farage is the only politician who speaks against it. Go figure... Well, that tells me you don't understand the definition of honesty. All The Best
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 12, 2024 17:15:14 GMT
[Well, that tells me you don't understand the definition of honesty. All The Best LOL, that tells me you don't understand the definition of 'far-right'.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 12, 2024 17:16:36 GMT
“Far Right” means people who admire Hitler & hate non-white people. Such people do exist in the UK today, but there aren’t many of them (thank goodness). “Far Right” does NOT mean decent working-class people who don’t like Wokery & love their country & voted for Brexit.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 12, 2024 17:18:49 GMT
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 12, 2024 19:53:57 GMT
“Far Right” means people who admire Hitler & hate non-white people. Such people do exist in the UK today, but there aren’t many of them (thank goodness). “Far Right” does NOT mean decent working-class people who don’t like Wokery & love their country & voted for Brexit. Why would someone who claims to love this country be remotely comfortable with people demonstrating abject hatred of this country and its values by trying to burn down a hotel with completely innocent people in it? All The Best
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 12, 2024 21:14:32 GMT
“Far Right” means people who admire Hitler & hate non-white people. Such people do exist in the UK today, but there aren’t many of them (thank goodness). “Far Right” does NOT mean decent working-class people who don’t like Wokery & love their country & voted for Brexit. Why would someone who claims to love this country be remotely comfortable with people demonstrating abject hatred of this country and its values by trying to burn down a hotel with completely innocent people in it? All The Best What makes you think they are?
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 12, 2024 21:28:50 GMT
Why would someone who claims to love this country be remotely comfortable with people demonstrating abject hatred of this country and its values by trying to burn down a hotel with completely innocent people in it? All The Best What makes you think they are? They were stood side by side with the rioters trying to achieve just that. If you don't agree with the aims of a mob don't stand with them - simples. All The Best
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 12, 2024 21:57:44 GMT
Perhaps they wanted their Gregg's rewarming?
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 12, 2024 22:01:32 GMT
Why would someone who claims to love this country be remotely comfortable with people demonstrating abject hatred of this country and its values by trying to burn down a hotel with completely innocent people in it? All The Best What makes you think they are? Just looking at this forum you will see those peddling the far-right mantra are Hamas ragers and BLM hypocrites. They're all licking out Starmer's crack, too, which says everything you need to know about Labour.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 12, 2024 22:02:13 GMT
What makes you think they are? They were stood side by side with the rioters trying to achieve just that. If you don't agree with the aims of a mob don't stand with them - simples. All The Best Who stood side by side?
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 12, 2024 22:37:03 GMT
They were stood side by side with the rioters trying to achieve just that. If you don't agree with the aims of a mob don't stand with them - simples. All The Best Who stood side by side? Stop pretending to be fucking thick; if you persist I'll just assume you are, and are this not worthy of my time. You saw the news as well as I. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Aug 12, 2024 22:51:38 GMT
Don’t forget folks , if you are in the crowd with protestors behaving badly then you are behaving badly . That includes. ‘Pro Palestinians, BLM , JSO, Muslims, Roma and assorted lefties .
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 12, 2024 23:48:13 GMT
Stop pretending to be fucking thick; if you persist I'll just assume you are, and are this not worthy of my time. You saw the news as well as I. All The Best What a goon you really are. Stick to sucking up to Hamas fanatics.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 0:56:11 GMT
Stop pretending to be fucking thick; if you persist I'll just assume you are, and are this not worthy of my time. You saw the news as well as I. All The Best What a goon you really are. Stick to sucking up to Hamas fanatics.Where have I ever done that? Oh, wait, I haven't. If all you've got is lies you are not worthy of my time either (which was clear anyway form the badly educated schoolboy level of your arguments). All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 0:56:51 GMT
Don’t forget folks , if you are in the crowd with protestors behaving badly then you are behaving badly . That includes. ‘Pro Palestinians, BLM , JSO, Muslims, Roma and assorted lefties . Is there anything wrong with being Pro Palestinian? All The Best
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