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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 7, 2024 10:51:57 GMT
Interesting to note that for some posters, the Number 1 issue in all of this is some suggestion / a theory / an opinion which is unfounded and unproven, that there is two tier policing. However, the fact that rioting in citys up and down England caused entirely by (A) the far right, and (B) lies and wrong information, is largely ignored by these posters. It seems that a conspiracy theory is more important than attempting to burn down buildings with people inside, attacking the police or attacking people simply because they are Asian and could be Muslims. No different to the Fascists of Germany prior to the Kristallnacht .... everything out of proportion, mixed with ignorance and lies. Bollocks, fiddles.
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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2024 10:53:49 GMT
There have been several miss-steps recently. The core problem is that police are 'consulting' with 'communities' that amount to foreign based, or interested, criminal organisations. The one group they wont take into consideration is the vast bulk of the UK public I should add that this is not really the Police's fault - we gradually forced this nonsense on them
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 7, 2024 10:55:25 GMT
Interesting to note that for some posters, the Number 1 issue in all of this is some suggestion / a theory / an opinion which is unfounded and unproven, that there is two tier policing. However, the fact that rioting in citys up and down England caused entirely by (A) the far right, and (B) lies and wrong information, is largely ignored by these posters. It seems that a conspiracy theory is more important than attempting to burn down buildings with people inside, attacking the police or attacking people simply because they are Asian and could be Muslims. No different to the Fascists of Germany prior to the Kristallnacht .... everything out of proportion, mixed with ignorance and lies. Bollocks, fiddles. Do you ever say anything else these days on the boards ? Pretty Polly, pretty Polly, pieces of eight
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 7, 2024 11:12:53 GMT
Interesting to note that for some posters, the Number 1 issue in all of this is some suggestion / a theory / an opinion which is unfounded and unproven, that there is two tier policing. However, the fact that rioting in citys up and down England caused entirely by (A) the far right, and (B) lies and wrong information, is largely ignored by these posters. It seems that a conspiracy theory is more important than attempting to burn down buildings with people inside, attacking the police or attacking people simply because they are Asian and could be Muslims. No different to the Fascists of Germany prior to the Kristallnacht .... everything out of proportion, mixed with ignorance and lies. So you are calling out people for relying on theory / opinion and then you base your argument on theory / opinion. How do you know these rioters are "entirely far right or have the wrong information"? Have you spoken to them all individually? lol. You do know how the Nazi's came into power right? They came into power because the mainstream IGNORED the people, which allowed the Nazis to take over the narrative. Starmer bent the knee over a racist attack in America, yet stayed silent when a black person commits three racist killings. They tried to set the narrative that he was Welsh ffs to try and counter any racist element lol. Starmer failed to call this out for what it was, which led to a vacuum of information and then people will choose to believe what ever matches their own echo chamber. Before you talk about due process and waiting for the results of criminal cases, Starmer bent the knee BEFORE the trial. Hence "two fucking tier".
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 11:22:16 GMT
Mcpherson specifically demanded two tier policing and the police took it on board what is so difficult to understand about that fact. Posters are suggesting ( wrongly ) that violence and disorder committed by the far right + the thugs who attend their planned riots, are been policed, whilst any opposing protests are been largely unpoliced or ignored, and its a conspiracy theory without any evidence. The fact that the CPS, police forces and the Home Office are going to make an example of the rioters is true, they are going to meet the harshest sentences, and MOST PEOPLE in this country agree with this policy. I would not disagree with most people but that does nothing to remove the belief that two tier policing is in operation. Macpherson specifically called for it yet calling for it and the police agreeing to implement it still makes it a conspiracy theory in your eyes. We have the actual evidence in two distinct riots. Harehills and Southport. Engagement with the Community was undertaken in Harehills with the police being forced to retreat and no engagement with rioters in Southport.
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 7, 2024 11:30:44 GMT
Well it's higher than nothing. And in fact 25% is a pretty good rate for discovering criminal evidence. Were you in charge of a business would you continue to use a system that had only a 25% success rate? I mean I know an awful lot of executive level officers in far too many UK companies are there not because they are competent to be there, but because of the old school tie network; but even most of them are not dumb enough to run with a system that FAILS 75% of the time. All The Best Anyone who works in marketing (especially cold calling/mailing) would be performing backflips and somersaults if they achieved a success rate of anything like 25% But marketing/cold calling/random mailing is still big business
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 11:34:43 GMT
Posters are suggesting ( wrongly ) that violence and disorder committed by the far right + the thugs who attend their planned riots, are been policed, whilst any opposing protests are been largely unpoliced or ignored, and its a conspiracy theory without any evidence. The fact that the CPS, police forces and the Home Office are going to make an example of the rioters is true, they are going to meet the harshest sentences, and MOST PEOPLE in this country agree with this policy. I would not disagree with most people but that does nothing to remove the belief that two tier policing is in operation. Macpherson specifically called for it yet calling for it and the police agreeing to implement it still makes it a conspiracy theory in your eyes. We have the actual evidence in two distinct riots. Harehills and Southport. Engagement with the Community was undertaken in Harehills with the police being forced to retreat and no engagement with rioters in Southport. Can you quote where MacPherson called for two tier policing? "Twenty seven arrested over Harehills disorder" www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ngn12qz4zo
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 12:51:32 GMT
I would not disagree with most people but that does nothing to remove the belief that two tier policing is in operation. Macpherson specifically called for it yet calling for it and the police agreeing to implement it still makes it a conspiracy theory in your eyes. We have the actual evidence in two distinct riots. Harehills and Southport. Engagement with the Community was undertaken in Harehills with the police being forced to retreat and no engagement with rioters in Southport. Can you quote where MacPherson called for two tier policing? "Twenty seven arrested over Harehills disorder" www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ngn12qz4zo. That the Home Secretary and police authorities should seek to ensure that the membership of police authorities reflects so far as possible the cultural and ethnic mix of the communities which those authorities serve. 48.That there should be immediate review and revision of racism awareness training within police services to ensure: that there exists a consistent strategy to deliver appropriate training within all police services, based upon the value of our cultured diversity; that training courses are designed and delivered in order to develop the full understanding that good community relations are essential to good policing and that a racist officer is an incompetent officer. 49. That all police officers, including CID and civilian staff, should be training in racism awareness and valuing cultural diversity. 50. That police training and practical experience in the field of racism awareness and valuing cultural diversity should regularly be conducted at local level. And that it should be recognised that local minority ethnic communities should be involved in such training and experience. 54. That consideration be given to a review of the provision of training in racism awareness and valuing cultural diversity in local government and other agencies including other sections of the criminal justice system. 70. That in creating strategies under the provisions of the Crime and Disorder Act or otherwise police services, local government and relevant agencies should specifically consider implementing community and local initiatives aimed at promoting cultural diversity and addressing racism and the need for focused, consistent support for such initiatives.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 13:10:14 GMT
. That the Home Secretary and police authorities should seek to ensure that the membership of police authorities reflects so far as possible the cultural and ethnic mix of the communities which those authorities serve. 48.That there should be immediate review and revision of racism awareness training within police services to ensure: that there exists a consistent strategy to deliver appropriate training within all police services, based upon the value of our cultured diversity; that training courses are designed and delivered in order to develop the full understanding that good community relations are essential to good policing and that a racist officer is an incompetent officer. 49. That all police officers, including CID and civilian staff, should be training in racism awareness and valuing cultural diversity. 50. That police training and practical experience in the field of racism awareness and valuing cultural diversity should regularly be conducted at local level. And that it should be recognised that local minority ethnic communities should be involved in such training and experience. 54. That consideration be given to a review of the provision of training in racism awareness and valuing cultural diversity in local government and other agencies including other sections of the criminal justice system. 70. That in creating strategies under the provisions of the Crime and Disorder Act or otherwise police services, local government and relevant agencies should specifically consider implementing community and local initiatives aimed at promoting cultural diversity and addressing racism and the need for focused, consistent support for such initiatives. Nothing there which recommends two tier policing.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 13:27:20 GMT
. That the Home Secretary and police authorities should seek to ensure that the membership of police authorities reflects so far as possible the cultural and ethnic mix of the communities which those authorities serve. 48.That there should be immediate review and revision of racism awareness training within police services to ensure: that there exists a consistent strategy to deliver appropriate training within all police services, based upon the value of our cultured diversity; that training courses are designed and delivered in order to develop the full understanding that good community relations are essential to good policing and that a racist officer is an incompetent officer. 49. That all police officers, including CID and civilian staff, should be training in racism awareness and valuing cultural diversity. 50. That police training and practical experience in the field of racism awareness and valuing cultural diversity should regularly be conducted at local level. And that it should be recognised that local minority ethnic communities should be involved in such training and experience. 54. That consideration be given to a review of the provision of training in racism awareness and valuing cultural diversity in local government and other agencies including other sections of the criminal justice system. 70. That in creating strategies under the provisions of the Crime and Disorder Act or otherwise police services, local government and relevant agencies should specifically consider implementing community and local initiatives aimed at promoting cultural diversity and addressing racism and the need for focused, consistent support for such initiatives. Nothing there which recommends two tier policing. It recommends different policing approaches to different communities. The law is not the arbiter of policing the community, the community is which is a nonsense, the law is supposed to apply to all equally. Football supporters have no choice in how they are policed, their pockets are felt, they are herded along with horses and being 'sensitive' is regarded as poor policing. And what is valuing cultural diversity, how do you value it, how are you trained to value it, what act of Parliament expected it to be valued and which manifesto said they would value diversity and ensure others did as well?
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 13:36:07 GMT
Nothing there which recommends two tier policing. It recommends different policing approaches to different communities. The law is not the arbiter of policing the community, the community is which is a nonsense, the law is supposed to apply to all equally. Football supporters have no choice in how they are policed, their pockets are felt, they are herded along with horses and being 'sensitive' is regarded as poor policing. And what is valuing cultural diversity, how do you value it, how are you trained to value it, what act of Parliament expected it to be valued and which manifesto said they would value diversity and ensure others did as well? It addresses racism, nowhere does it recommend two tier policing.
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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2024 13:41:09 GMT
that training courses are designed and delivered in order to develop the full understanding that good community relations are essential to good policing and that a racist officer is an incompetent officer. I think this one is quite important. The police are required to engage in 'community relations' with communities (cultures) that are, from our perspective, criminal organisations. Despite the flowery, harmless sounding language, it is more or less an order to become corrupt
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 13:53:25 GMT
It recommends different policing approaches to different communities. The law is not the arbiter of policing the community, the community is which is a nonsense, the law is supposed to apply to all equally. Football supporters have no choice in how they are policed, their pockets are felt, they are herded along with horses and being 'sensitive' is regarded as poor policing. And what is valuing cultural diversity, how do you value it, how are you trained to value it, what act of Parliament expected it to be valued and which manifesto said they would value diversity and ensure others did as well? It addresses racism, nowhere does it recommend two tier policing. It addresses racism and valuing cultural diversity. How is it valued, how do you value it, how are you trained to value it, what act of Parliament demanded it which manifestos said that valuing cultural diversity was essential. If you value diversity how does that apply to the police whose only real frame of reference is the law? Is this act illegal, not I see an illegal act I have to consider the value of diversity and community relations in order to decide whether to deal with it or not and in what way.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 7, 2024 14:01:20 GMT
Do you ever say anything else these days on the boards ? Pretty Polly, pretty Polly, pieces of eight Do you ever post anything other than total bollocks?
Rhetorical question btw, because we all know the answer.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 7, 2024 20:22:28 GMT
Maybe they are expressing their hatred of those who express racial hatred towards them . I am willing to bet my left bollock that no one at all who rioted at that Asylum Hotel had, in any way at all, been subject to racial abuse by anyone in the Asylum Hotel they tried to burn to the ground. I am also willing to bet you know I am right. All The Best Don’t try to kid me that you have any bollocks . You’ve posted enough on here but that doesn’t count .
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