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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 19:03:05 GMT
Well, I broadly agree with you. I am sure that having such a hostel in your neighbourhood could be perceived as being alarming. Surely the same is true of, for example, Open Prisons - I just did a quick check, and I can't find one community that has an open prison that was in favour of it being where it is; and in 99% of cases the locals were never asked their opinions. Even more so in fact, because Open Prisons are populated almost exclusively by people who HAVE actually committed crimes. Didn't see any rioters at Open Prisons, did you? You see, here's my issue; you are arguing your point, but doing so so poorly that it actually makes no sense. Because it is so easy to point out other things that obviously carry a much higher risk factor. So why target the Asylum Hostel, rather than the Open Prison? What defining factor makes the Asylum Hostel a much bigger risk factor than the Open Prison? Can you answer that? All The Best The defining factor is the unknown countries of origin and the cultures thereof. We know many are from Muslim lands with the outlook on Non-Muslims especially women. We have evidence from France and Germany where some pretty horrendous crimes have been committed by asylum seekers on priests and on local residents. The Normandy church throat slitting of Priest Hamel in 2016 is the type of thing that tells the tale. The list is long and partly suppressed as the authorities do not want that information. These factors make the Open Prison much less of a risk. Not really. They are also used for violent criminals who are coming to the end of their custodial sentence. So the defining factor is RACE; you are admitting to being a Racist. Lets hope the Mods here do their legal duty and report you. All The Best |
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Post by Tinculin on Aug 5, 2024 19:03:10 GMT
We don’t have to exit the entirety of the ECHR, we could simply say we’re not going to comply with any laws pertaining to immigration, until they make more sense in today’s world and are a positive thing for the United Kingdom.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 19:07:48 GMT
Bu they are not, they said they would bring immigration down and smash the gangs in their manifesto and have made no progress to either with their actions but plenty progress that may indicate not moving in that direction. So people can see straightaway it was a smokescreen, the flashpoint happpened quicker than expected They've been in power just over 4 weeks! The Tories had 14 years in power and made things much worse than when they came into office. But of course, you are still ignoring the REAL CAUSE of Economic Migration - the needs of the Capitalist Market. All The Best The point of course is what they have done in the 4 weeks indicates that they have no intention of either bringing legal immigration down or controlling illegal migration. I do not dispute the real cause but the whole point of government is to regulate the market and its demands. If the market demands immigration then regulation should ensure that that is tightly controlled for the overall benefit of the electorate. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 19:35:29 GMT
They've been in power just over 4 weeks! The Tories had 14 years in power and made things much worse than when they came into office. But of course, you are still ignoring the REAL CAUSE of Economic Migration - the needs of the Capitalist Market. All The Best The point of course is what they have done in the 4 weeks indicates that they have no intention of either bringing legal immigration down or controlling illegal migration. I do not dispute the real cause but the whole point of government is to regulate the market and its demands. If the market demands immigration then regulation should ensure that that is tightly controlled for the overall benefit of the electorate. The UK Government does NOT regulate the Capitalist Market. The Capitalist Market regulates UK Government This is clear in the fact that no Government since, arguably Major and certainly Blair, has ever successfully achieved any control on immigration. The real shot-callers simply won't let them. Until we recognise that and are prepared to challenge it absolutely nothing will change. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 19:37:18 GMT
We don’t have to exit the entirety of the ECHR, we could simply say we’re not going to comply with any laws pertaining to immigration, until they make more sense in today’s world and are a positive thing for the United Kingdom. I agree. Willing to bet the Truss-esque loons now standing for the Conservative Leadership won't see it that way. Because they don't want out of the ECHR to strip rights from Immigrants; they want out of the ECHR to strip rights from British Citizens. All The Best |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 5, 2024 20:03:41 GMT
Any way I blame the riots on the tv coverage of the Olympics, boredom drove them to it.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 20:12:06 GMT
Open prisons tend to be non violent criminals, fraud, theft, embezzlement etc. The defining factor is the unknown countries of origin and the cultures thereof. We know many are from Muslim lands with the outlook on Non-Muslims especially women. We have evidence from France and Germany where some pretty horrendous crimes have been committed by asylum seekers on priests and on local residents. The Normandy church throat slitting of Priest Hamel in 2016 is the type of thing that tells the tale. The list is long and partly suppressed as the authorities do not want that information. These factors make the Open Prison much less of a risk. Not really. They are also used for violent criminals who are coming to the end of their custodial sentence. So the defining factor is RACE; you are admitting to being a Racist. Lets hope the Mods here do their legal duty and report you. All The Best The defining factor is young men not of this country forcing entry and being provided with accommodation. If the men were all young Germans the reaction would be broadly the same but different because the important factor is culture. No surprise that 'racism' jumps into your ken. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 22:17:15 GMT
Not really. They are also used for violent criminals who are coming to the end of their custodial sentence. So the defining factor is RACE; you are admitting to being a Racist. Lets hope the Mods here do their legal duty and report you. All The Best The defining factor is young men not of this country forcing entry and being provided with accommodation. If the men were all young Germans the reaction would be broadly the same but different because the important factor is culture. No surprise that 'racism' jumps into your ken. Define Culture. What is it about the Culture of these "young men" (I remind you there are women and children among them) that is so antithetical to our own Culture (whatever that may be). For the record I am not denying that British Culture exists, I just want to know what you think it is. I think the British Culture is largely built upon being fair, defending the underdog and those in need, standing up to tyrants and bullies, and respect for the rule of law. I think it safe to say that you do not believe any of those things are a part of British Culture, because you have - for over a week now - defended those who have shat all over those values. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 6, 2024 7:12:27 GMT
The defining factor is young men not of this country forcing entry and being provided with accommodation. If the men were all young Germans the reaction would be broadly the same but different because the important factor is culture. No surprise that 'racism' jumps into your ken. Define Culture. What is it about the Culture of these "young men" (I remind you there are women and children among them) that is so antithetical to our own Culture (whatever that may be). For the record I am not denying that British Culture exists, I just want to know what you think it is. I think the British Culture is largely built upon being fair, defending the underdog and those in need, standing up to tyrants and bullies, and respect for the rule of law. I think it safe to say that you do not believe any of those things are a part of British Culture, because you have - for over a week now - defended those who have shat all over those values. All The Best Once again we are back to 'what is British Culture please define it'. No other culture is expected to face that challenge. Native American culture is instantly recognised and respected but no one can define what it is, Indian sub-continent culture is instantly recognised and respected yet no one can define what it is, Caribbean cultures are instantly recognised as what they are and instantly respected. It is what it is instantly recognised and maligned by far too many as a matter of policy it seems. If our culture is built upon 'being fair' why does that not apply to British people themselves and expect them to be long suffering and accepting of cultures that are antithetical to our own and suffer immense risks to their families and friends as we can see regularly demonstrated over the years from far too many of those from other cultures. We can start with Southport and progress backwards through Kent, Nottingham, Manchester Arena, Reading, London Bridge and many more I have missed. Bringing in people of whom far too many actually hate who you are is not a good policy to undertake and Starmer has clearly indicated he will carry on regardless. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 6, 2024 10:48:45 GMT
Define Culture. What is it about the Culture of these "young men" (I remind you there are women and children among them) that is so antithetical to our own Culture (whatever that may be). For the record I am not denying that British Culture exists, I just want to know what you think it is. I think the British Culture is largely built upon being fair, defending the underdog and those in need, standing up to tyrants and bullies, and respect for the rule of law. I think it safe to say that you do not believe any of those things are a part of British Culture, because you have - for over a week now - defended those who have shat all over those values. All The Best Once again we are back to 'what is British Culture please define it'. No other culture is expected to face that challenge. Native American culture is instantly recognised and respected but no one can define what it is, Indian sub-continent culture is instantly recognised and respected yet no one can define what it is, Caribbean cultures are instantly recognised as what they are and instantly respected. It is what it is instantly recognised and maligned by far too many as a matter of policy it seems. If our culture is built upon 'being fair' why does that not apply to British people themselves and expect them to be long suffering and accepting of cultures that are antithetical to our own and suffer immense risks to their families and friends as we can see regularly demonstrated over the years from far too many of those from other cultures. We can start with Southport and progress backwards through Kent, Nottingham, Manchester Arena, Reading, London Bridge and many more I have missed. Bringing in people of whom far too many actually hate who you are is not a good policy to undertake and Starmer has clearly indicated he will carry on regardless. I partially defined what I think British Culture is. But surely, if you can't define it it means you don't actually know what it is. Like I said - standing up to thugs and bullies is to me part of British Culture, I've stood up to bullies my whole life, and taken more than one beating for it. You seem to think that rolling over for them is British Culture - I'd suggest Churchill and those who fought in WWII would laugh at you and think you are pathetic. I am not at all sure what you mean by this: How, EXACTLY, are British people being treated unfairly? Also what are these immense risks you talk of? In 2023 there were 29 Homicides in the UK. There were 4,907 drug deaths. 300 Drink Driving deaths. 74,600 deaths from smoking related cancer. Surely if this were really about mitigating risk to British Citizens you'd be campaigning to completely stamp out the illegal drug market, or outlaw alcohol, and definitely ban smoking? Oh, and you obviously do not think "respect for the rule of law" is part of British Culture - why not? All The Best |
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Post by Orac on Aug 6, 2024 10:58:40 GMT
Once again we are back to 'what is British Culture please define it'. No other culture is expected to face that challenge. Native American culture is instantly recognised and respected but no one can define what it is, Indian sub-continent culture is instantly recognised and respected yet no one can define what it is, Caribbean cultures are instantly recognised as what they are and instantly respected. It is what it is instantly recognised and maligned by far too many as a matter of policy it seems. If our culture is built upon 'being fair' why does that not apply to British people themselves and expect them to be long suffering and accepting of cultures that are antithetical to our own and suffer immense risks to their families and friends as we can see regularly demonstrated over the years from far too many of those from other cultures. We can start with Southport and progress backwards through Kent, Nottingham, Manchester Arena, Reading, London Bridge and many more I have missed. Bringing in people of whom far too many actually hate who you are is not a good policy to undertake and Starmer has clearly indicated he will carry on regardless. I partially defined what I think British Culture is. But surely, if you can't define it it means you don't actually know what it is. No it doesn't mean that -0 he likely feels it doesn't need defining because it is an evident and historic organism. In others your demands for definition are simply an attempt at denial that we exist We don't need to explain or define our way of life to you - if i were you, I would try to get used to that. More to come quite likely |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 6, 2024 11:19:56 GMT
I partially defined what I think British Culture is. But surely, if you can't define it it means you don't actually know what it is. No it doesn't mean that -0 he likely feels it doesn't need defining because it is an evident and historic organism. In others your demands for definition are simply an attempt at denial that we exist We don't need to explain or define our way of life to you - if i were you, I would try to get used to that. More to come quite likely Well, I am British by birth, and for you racists who think it matters, by ancestry as well. I find it relatively easy to define some of the characteristics of British Culture. I don't deny that British Culture exists - I embrace it. I'd suggest that those that can't aren't really a apart of British Culture. I bet some you even think that St George is part of British Culture and to be celebrated? When in fact St George was a TURKSIH-Cypriot mercenary general who never once stepped foot in England. But he did send his butchering mercenaries to England at the behest of the invader religion of Christianity, and stamped out the last genuine British Culture. The dragon he slew was this:  ![]() That is English self-determination and independence from the Catholic Church. All The Best |
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Post by Orac on Aug 6, 2024 12:38:23 GMT
I'd suggest that those that can't aren't really a apart of British Culture. Then you must be as daft as a brush A little like saying you don't have a personality unless you can define it, or that you aren't the member of a family unless you can spell the name |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 6, 2024 14:11:15 GMT
Once again we are back to 'what is British Culture please define it'. No other culture is expected to face that challenge. Native American culture is instantly recognised and respected but no one can define what it is, Indian sub-continent culture is instantly recognised and respected yet no one can define what it is, Caribbean cultures are instantly recognised as what they are and instantly respected. It is what it is instantly recognised and maligned by far too many as a matter of policy it seems. If our culture is built upon 'being fair' why does that not apply to British people themselves and expect them to be long suffering and accepting of cultures that are antithetical to our own and suffer immense risks to their families and friends as we can see regularly demonstrated over the years from far too many of those from other cultures. We can start with Southport and progress backwards through Kent, Nottingham, Manchester Arena, Reading, London Bridge and many more I have missed. Bringing in people of whom far too many actually hate who you are is not a good policy to undertake and Starmer has clearly indicated he will carry on regardless. I partially defined what I think British Culture is. But surely, if you can't define it it means you don't actually know what it is. Like I said - standing up to thugs and bullies is to me part of British Culture, I've stood up to bullies my whole life, and taken more than one beating for it. You seem to think that rolling over for them is British Culture - I'd suggest Churchill and those who fought in WWII would laugh at you and think you are pathetic. I am not at all sure what you mean by this: How, EXACTLY, are British people being treated unfairly? Also what are these immense risks you talk of? In 2023 there were 29 Homicides in the UK. There were 4,907 drug deaths. 300 Drink Driving deaths. 74,600 deaths from smoking related cancer. Surely if this were really about mitigating risk to British Citizens you'd be campaigning to completely stamp out the illegal drug market, or outlaw alcohol, and definitely ban smoking? Oh, and you obviously do not think "respect for the rule of law" is part of British Culture - why not? All The Best Eh? There were 590 homicides recorded in the year ending March 2023, 14% lower than the previous year (684 offences).Given your huge discrepancy with official figures I will assume that the other figures you list are also completely wrong www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023#:~:text=1.,previous%20year%20(684%20offences). |
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Post by see2 on Aug 6, 2024 14:17:09 GMT
They've been in power just over 4 weeks! The Tories had 14 years in power and made things much worse than when they came into office. But of course, you are still ignoring the REAL CAUSE of Economic Migration - the needs of the Capitalist Market. All The Best I do not dispute the real cause but the whole point of government is to regulate the market and its demands. If the market demands immigration then regulation should ensure that that is tightly controlled for the overall benefit of the electorate. Nonsense ^^ Just what is your problem? |
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