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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 18:24:43 GMT
What this lame government should do now is offer all these illegal migrants/asylum seekers safe passage out of the UK, it's clear they are not welcome, and it doesn't matter how many police there are they can't guarantee the safety of these people 24/7, Labour might as well use this as a chance to clear the backlog of asylum claims, he should be chartering flights and transport to France. Was that in the Labour manifesto? |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 18:32:11 GMT
You are becoming ever more desperate to come to some logical comparison. We are not in France we are in the UK. I am at a loss to even counter your somewhat strange 'logical' extension which is not logic at all. The point as ever is that Starmer is continuing what appears to be an open door policy on immigration both legal and illegal and in Rayner's words everyone will have to take their 'fair share' around the country. Unknown quantities are those who are arriving and what makes the perceptions even worse is that there is a belief that the authorities cover up migrant crime in the name of community cohesion. That is exacerbated when they find out that some migrants on Bibby Stockholm do not turn up for court and go on the run. Low level reporting of problems from migrants is the order of the day and high level reporting of action against migrants with the accent on far right. People in general are not stupid and can see through how reporting is skewed. Well there's a mother-fucking irony of EPIC proportions. Go on, tell me again, how not having full info on British Catholic Priests highlights the problem of not having full info on Non-British Citizens? I suspect that like so many other things how logic functions is something you know fuck all about. Without using the internet explain the premise, and problems of Hilbert's Hotel. Or the predicate logic paradox. All The Best Because not having information on perhaps two Catholic Priests in one's area who are in reality specifically a potential problem to their own faithful is a different order of magnitude to not having information on dozens to hundreds of young men many from societies that regard women as fair game if they go outside without covering their face living in one's neighbourhood. I feel that is stating the bleeding obvious and a logical conclusion. Perhaps you think different, you certainly give that impression |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 18:33:13 GMT
How does not having full info on British Citizen Catholic Priests highlight " the problem of having Zilch information as regards a person who is not a British Citizen"? I mean there is one group of people for whom any issue at all can be twisted around and used to highlight problems about Non-British Citizens. Are you professing to be a member of that group? All The Best You do not want to understand. Having a hostel in your village for mainly single men from disparate cultures, some of which cultures treat women badly, and about which no information at all is known about the criminality or character of the inmates is something to be worried about most especially as the inmates are free to come and go. This type of thing represents an increased risk to the locals. People live with a level of risk about all things every day, they do not need nor want more risk piled upon them and when something happens it is too late as we have seen. Well, I broadly agree with you. I am sure that having such a hostel in your neighbourhood could be perceived as being alarming. Surely the same is true of, for example, Open Prisons - I just did a quick check, and I can't find one community that has an open prison that was in favour of it being where it is; and in 99% of cases the locals were never asked their opinions. Even more so in fact, because Open Prisons are populated almost exclusively by people who HAVE actually committed crimes. Didn't see any rioters at Open Prisons, did you? You see, here's my issue; you are arguing your point, but doing so so poorly that it actually makes no sense. Because it is so easy to point out other things that obviously carry a much higher risk factor. So why target the Asylum Hostel, rather than the Open Prison? What defining factor makes the Asylum Hostel a much bigger risk factor than the Open Prison? Can you answer that? All The Best |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 5, 2024 18:34:55 GMT
What this lame government should do now is offer all these illegal migrants/asylum seekers safe passage out of the UK, it's clear they are not welcome, and it doesn't matter how many police there are they can't guarantee the safety of these people 24/7, Labour might as well use this as a chance to clear the backlog of asylum claims, he should be chartering flights and transport to France. Was that in the Labour manifesto? What's Labour manifesto got to do with it, that was just a work of fiction, they should now be offering illegals asylum seekers safe passage out of the UK, the boat people are finished. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 18:35:06 GMT
What this lame government should do now is offer all these illegal migrants/asylum seekers safe passage out of the UK, it's clear they are not welcome, and it doesn't matter how many police there are they can't guarantee the safety of these people 24/7, Labour might as well use this as a chance to clear the backlog of asylum claims, he should be chartering flights and transport to France. So the thugs who are a threat to them should be locked up 24/7 until such time as they no longer pose a risk. Labour may as well use this as a chance to get some dangerous thugs off our streets for good and safely ensconced behind bars. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 18:36:57 GMT
No people see that rioting works. What other conclusion can be drawn. It has worked from Toxteth onwards. All the more reason for the government not to give in to the recent rioters surely? Too late the genie of rioting works is out of the bottle. A clamp down now on one group will just reinforce the Two Tier Kier outlook and create more unrest. He had his chance to be a statesman for Britain he chose the globalists and the overwhelming of the UK and it is unlikely that unhappy people will go quietly. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 5, 2024 18:37:57 GMT
What this lame government should do now is offer all these illegal migrants/asylum seekers safe passage out of the UK, it's clear they are not welcome, and it doesn't matter how many police there are they can't guarantee the safety of these people 24/7, Labour might as well use this as a chance to clear the backlog of asylum claims, he should be chartering flights and transport to France. So the thugs who are a threat to them should be locked up 24/7 until such time as they no longer pose a risk. Labour may as well use this as a chance to get some dangerous thugs off our streets for good and safely ensconced behind bars. All The Best Where are they going to put them FFS, Starmer has just given early release thousands because the prisons are packed to the rafters, a big percentage are foreign nationals who should be deported, the problem isn't going away, Starmer and the Tories have failed and this is the end result. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 18:44:41 GMT
Was that in the Labour manifesto? What's Labour manifesto got to do with it, that was just a work of fiction, they should now be offering illegals asylum seekers safe passage out of the UK, the boat people are finished. It's the winning manifesto so that's what the government should be implementing not the demands of one random on the internet. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 18:47:50 GMT
All the more reason for the government not to give in to the recent rioters surely? Too late the genie of rioting works is out of the bottle. A clamp down now on one group will just reinforce the Two Tier Kier outlook and create more unrest. He had his chance to be a statesman for Britain he chose the globalists and the overwhelming of the UK and it is unlikely that unhappy people will go quietly. Starmer has only been PM for four weeks he can't do anything about past government mistakes. Are you saying that we should just carry on caving in to rioters forever from now on? Lucky we weren't counting on people like you in the war, somehow I don't think "We will listen to the Nazis legitimate concerns on the beaches......" would have had quite the same impact. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 18:49:16 GMT
You do not want to understand. Having a hostel in your village for mainly single men from disparate cultures, some of which cultures treat women badly, and about which no information at all is known about the criminality or character of the inmates is something to be worried about most especially as the inmates are free to come and go. This type of thing represents an increased risk to the locals. People live with a level of risk about all things every day, they do not need nor want more risk piled upon them and when something happens it is too late as we have seen. Well, I broadly agree with you. I am sure that having such a hostel in your neighbourhood could be perceived as being alarming. Surely the same is true of, for example, Open Prisons - I just did a quick check, and I can't find one community that has an open prison that was in favour of it being where it is; and in 99% of cases the locals were never asked their opinions. Even more so in fact, because Open Prisons are populated almost exclusively by people who HAVE actually committed crimes. Didn't see any rioters at Open Prisons, did you? You see, here's my issue; you are arguing your point, but doing so so poorly that it actually makes no sense. Because it is so easy to point out other things that obviously carry a much higher risk factor. So why target the Asylum Hostel, rather than the Open Prison? What defining factor makes the Asylum Hostel a much bigger risk factor than the Open Prison? Can you answer that? All The Best Open prisons tend to be non violent criminals, fraud, theft, embezzlement etc. The defining factor is the unknown countries of origin and the cultures thereof. We know many are from Muslim lands with the outlook on Non-Muslims especially women. We have evidence from France and Germany where some pretty horrendous crimes have been committed by asylum seekers on priests and on local residents. The Normandy church throat slitting of Priest Hamel in 2016 is the type of thing that tells the tale. The list is long and partly suppressed as the authorities do not want that information. These factors make the Open Prison much less of a risk. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 18:52:20 GMT
So the thugs who are a threat to them should be locked up 24/7 until such time as they no longer pose a risk. Labour may as well use this as a chance to get some dangerous thugs off our streets for good and safely ensconced behind bars. All The Best Where are they going to put them FFS, Starmer has just given early release thousands because the prisons are packed to the rafters, a big percentage are foreign nationals who should be deported, the problem isn't going away, Starmer and the Tories have failed and this is the end result. Firstly, I agree Foreign nationals who are incarcerated in our Prison System for anything longer than 3 months should be deported, no appeal, just fuck off. I agree that the ability of the Police to respond to this is an abject failure on the part of the last Tory government. Perhaps a bit unfair to blame Starmer just yet, he's only been in power a few weeks and it takes between 12 and 24 weeks to train new Police Officers. However, the overwhelming cause of these riots is the CHOICE of the Rioters to engage in rioting. No one blames the Government when Tony Scrote III goes on a nicking spree, Tony Scrote III gets the blame. So why blame the Government, especially a Government that has only been in power just over 4 weeks, for the actions of the Rioters? It makes no sense. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 18:52:46 GMT
What's Labour manifesto got to do with it, that was just a work of fiction, they should now be offering illegals asylum seekers safe passage out of the UK, the boat people are finished. It's the winning manifesto so that's what the government should be implementing not the demands of one random on the internet. Bu they are not, they said they would bring immigration down and smash the gangs in their manifesto and have made no progress to either with their actions but plenty progress that may indicate not moving in that direction. So people can see straightaway it was a smokescreen, the flashpoint happpened quicker than expected |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 18:55:02 GMT
It's the winning manifesto so that's what the government should be implementing not the demands of one random on the internet. Bu they are not, they said they would bring immigration down and smash the gangs in their manifesto and have made no progress to either with their actions but plenty progress that may indicate not moving in that direction. So people can see straightaway it was a smokescreen, the flashpoint happpened quicker than expected They've been in power just over 4 weeks! The Tories had 14 years in power and made things much worse than when they came into office. But of course, you are still ignoring the REAL CAUSE of Economic Migration - the needs of the Capitalist Market. All The Best |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 5, 2024 18:57:34 GMT
Where are they going to put them FFS, Starmer has just given early release thousands because the prisons are packed to the rafters, a big percentage are foreign nationals who should be deported, the problem isn't going away, Starmer and the Tories have failed and this is the end result. Firstly, I agree Foreign nationals who are incarcerated in our Prison System for anything longer than 3 months should be deported, no appeal, just fuck off. I agree that the ability of the Police to respond to this is an abject failure on the part of the last Tory government. Perhaps a bit unfair to blame Starmer just yet, he's only been in power a few weeks and it takes between 12 and 24 weeks to train new Police Officers. However, the overwhelming cause of these riots is the CHOICE of the Rioters to engage in rioting. No one blames the Government when Tony Scrote III goes on a nicking spree, Tony Scrote III gets the blame. So why blame the Government, especially a Government that has only been in power just over 4 weeks, for the actions of the Rioters? It makes no sense. All The Best We know the Rwanda scheme was bird brained, but it had the desired effect, loads fled to Ireland and the French dinghy service had suffered fearing they would got to Rwanda, so Starmer scraps it and loads are making their way back from Ireland to England and the dinghy normal service resumes, Starmer has no plan to stop the boats, he probably doesn't realize that the rioters have done him a favour, this is the alternative to the Rwanda scheme, he has to take some responsibility and blame. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 19:00:45 GMT
Firstly, I agree Foreign nationals who are incarcerated in our Prison System for anything longer than 3 months should be deported, no appeal, just fuck off. I agree that the ability of the Police to respond to this is an abject failure on the part of the last Tory government. Perhaps a bit unfair to blame Starmer just yet, he's only been in power a few weeks and it takes between 12 and 24 weeks to train new Police Officers. However, the overwhelming cause of these riots is the CHOICE of the Rioters to engage in rioting. No one blames the Government when Tony Scrote III goes on a nicking spree, Tony Scrote III gets the blame. So why blame the Government, especially a Government that has only been in power just over 4 weeks, for the actions of the Rioters? It makes no sense. All The Best We know the Rwanda scheme was bird brained, but it had the desired effect, loads fled to Ireland and the French dinghy service had suffered fearing they would got to Rwanda, so Starmer scraps it and loads are making their way back from Ireland to England and the dinghy normal service resumes, Starmer has no plan to stop the boats, he probably doesn't realize that the rioters have done him a favour, this is the alternative to the Rwanda scheme, he has to take some responsibility and blame. No it didn't. People crossing the channel is at an all time high, and only one person was deported to Rwanda, and he was paid a nice fat bribe to go. It is an out and out LIE to claim the Rwanda Scheme had worked, of even that it could work - it was never designed to work, it was designed to fail so that its failure could be used as an excuse to strip away rights from British Citizens by exiting the ECHR. All The Best |
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