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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 14:41:44 GMT
Again your viewpoint is largely irrelevant in that respect. It is the lessons people learn along the way, you may do so equally but it is too often seen that on the left violence when it appears is justified with blandishments and hypocrisy. We have watched it unfold over almost 3 decades. It's not people on the left making excuses for the violence over the past few days. Of course it isn't but we have history to refer to where violence was seen on the left as the right and proper response to a multitude of ills. I will go back to College green in 2009 where Griffin and Brons won seats in the EU parliament and tried to hold a press conference. Banned from entering parliament by new rules designed to exclude them a mob was tipped off they were there and managed through darts, eggs shouting and intimidation to chase them away. These were two representatives of the British electorate and there was no disgust in Parliament with the actions of the mob there was many lessons learned though that representation of any views other than approved views was not allowed here. All things come home to roost eventually. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2024 15:23:31 GMT
Sir Keir has acted right that to the uncivilized rest that brought dishonour And disgrace to the people of Southport Who was mourning the tragic murder of there 3 young daughters at the hands of a evil young man . But them that call themselves patriots brought horror and violence to the town that was Grieving. This is what the Hooligans deserve The banning order prohibiting attendance at a regulated football game can be for up to 10 years, if a term of imprisonment was imposed as part of a criminal prosecution. In other cases it can be for a shorter period. The minimum is a ban for three years.10 Jan 2024 www.hja.net › general-crime The new order will in fact refect the Football banning order that been in use since 1985 Punishment needs to fit the crime. This is neither logical, nor fitting the crime, but we've become used to illogical in the post-truth society. EDIT, just realised there is 27 pages of this which I don't have time to read! |
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Post by Totheleft on Aug 5, 2024 15:41:21 GMT
Sir Keir has acted right that to the uncivilized rest that brought dishonour And disgrace to the people of Southport Who was mourning the tragic murder of there 3 young daughters at the hands of a evil young man . But them that call themselves patriots brought horror and violence to the town that was Grieving. This is what the Hooligans deserve The banning order prohibiting attendance at a regulated football game can be for up to 10 years, if a term of imprisonment was imposed as part of a criminal prosecution. In other cases it can be for a shorter period. The minimum is a ban for three years.10 Jan 2024 www.hja.net › general-crime The new order will in fact refect the Football banning order that been in use since 1985 Punishment needs to fit the crime. This is neither logical, nor fitting the crime, but we've become used to illogical in the post-truth society. EDIT, just realised there is 27 pages of this which I don't have time to read! Has i said this punishment is fit for hooligans. And thats what the ugly mob is |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 16:39:13 GMT
Priests are free to move about their communties as they please. Yes Catholic Priests are normally British citizens and are approved by the church. The fact that that approval was often wrong in the past highlights the problem of having Zilch information as regards a person who is not a British Citizen and peole are expected to cope with dozens to hundreds in their neighbourhoods where as Catholic Priest were one or two at best. Just out of curiosity what are your statistical parameters for saying Catholic Priests present a greater risk to local communities. No matter how I work it out they present less of a risk How does not having full info on British Citizen Catholic Priests highlight " the problem of having Zilch information as regards a person who is not a British Citizen"? I mean there is one group of people for whom any issue at all can be twisted around and used to highlight problems about Non-British Citizens. Are you professing to be a member of that group? All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 16:43:41 GMT
"A 2,500-page report was to be published in October 2021; the head of the independent commission investigating child sexual abuse in the French Catholic Church said that about 3,000 paedophiles, as a minimum estimate, had operated in the church since 1950, with at least 330,000 children sexually abused" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country#:~:text=A%202%2C500%2Dpage%20report%20was,least%20330%2C000%20children%20sexually%20abused. Also, most violent crime is committed by men. You are a man. So by your logic, setting fire to a building with you in it is making our kids safer. You are becoming ever more desperate to come to some logical comparison. We are not in France we are in the UK. I am at a loss to even counter your somewhat strange 'logical' extension which is not logic at all. The point as ever is that Starmer is continuing what appears to be an open door policy on immigration both legal and illegal and in Rayner's words everyone will have to take their 'fair share' around the country. Unknown quantities are those who are arriving and what makes the perceptions even worse is that there is a belief that the authorities cover up migrant crime in the name of community cohesion. That is exacerbated when they find out that some migrants on Bibby Stockholm do not turn up for court and go on the run. Low level reporting of problems from migrants is the order of the day and high level reporting of action against migrants with the accent on far right. People in general are not stupid and can see through how reporting is skewed. Well there's a mother-fucking irony of EPIC proportions. Go on, tell me again, how not having full info on British Catholic Priests highlights the problem of not having full info on Non-British Citizens? I suspect that like so many other things how logic functions is something you know fuck all about. Without using the internet explain the premise, and problems of Hilbert's Hotel. Or the predicate logic paradox. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 16:46:55 GMT
Again they're engaged in criminal activity, they're hardly likely to want to have their face and name on national TV either. I'm not interested in hearing the views of violent criminals, I want them arrested, tried and jailed. Have you talked to any of them? Nope- -just pass judgement without garnering any information. Typical ostrich. You have to be pretending to be this fucking thick. All The Best |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 17:21:26 GMT
It's not people on the left making excuses for the violence over the past few days. Of course it isn't but we have history to refer to where violence was seen on the left as the right and proper response to a multitude of ills. I will go back to College green in 2009 where Griffin and Brons won seats in the EU parliament and tried to hold a press conference. Banned from entering parliament by new rules designed to exclude them a mob was tipped off they were there and managed through darts, eggs shouting and intimidation to chase them away. These were two representatives of the British electorate and there was no disgust in Parliament with the actions of the mob there was many lessons learned though that representation of any views other than approved views was not allowed here. All things come home to roost eventually. So two wrongs make a right? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 5, 2024 17:30:19 GMT
Sir Keir has acted right that to the uncivilized rest that brought dishonour And disgrace to the people of Southport Who was mourning the tragic murder of there 3 young daughters at the hands of a evil young man . But them that call themselves patriots brought horror and violence to the town that was Grieving. This is what the Hooligans deserve The banning order prohibiting attendance at a regulated football game can be for up to 10 years, if a term of imprisonment was imposed as part of a criminal prosecution. In other cases it can be for a shorter period. The minimum is a ban for three years.10 Jan 2024 www.hja.net › general-crime The new order will in fact refect the Football banning order that been in use since 1985 I hate football. So Two-Tiers telling me that if I smash up a few lefties I'll be banned from going to the football for the next 10 years? 'Kin bargain! When do I start?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 5, 2024 17:35:54 GMT
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”
George Orwell
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Post by Bentley on Aug 5, 2024 17:46:31 GMT
Two tier society. White Lives Matter (WLM) is a white supremacist slogan…. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Lives_MatterBlack Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement[1][2] that seeks to highlight racism, discrimination, and racial inequality experienced by black people and to promote anti-racism. Its primary concerns are police brutality and racially motivated violence against black people. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter |
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Post by Orac on Aug 5, 2024 17:56:28 GMT
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”
George Orwell ..and also to wear doing as a badge of honour - to be proud of the achievement.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 18:10:11 GMT
Yes Catholic Priests are normally British citizens and are approved by the church. The fact that that approval was often wrong in the past highlights the problem of having Zilch information as regards a person who is not a British Citizen and peole are expected to cope with dozens to hundreds in their neighbourhoods where as Catholic Priest were one or two at best. Just out of curiosity what are your statistical parameters for saying Catholic Priests present a greater risk to local communities. No matter how I work it out they present less of a risk How does not having full info on British Citizen Catholic Priests highlight " the problem of having Zilch information as regards a person who is not a British Citizen"? I mean there is one group of people for whom any issue at all can be twisted around and used to highlight problems about Non-British Citizens. Are you professing to be a member of that group? All The Best You do not want to understand. Having a hostel in your village for mainly single men from disparate cultures, some of which cultures treat women badly, and about which no information at all is known about the criminality or character of the inmates is something to be worried about most especially as the inmates are free to come and go. This type of thing represents an increased risk to the locals. People live with a level of risk about all things every day, they do not need nor want more risk piled upon them and when something happens it is too late as we have seen. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 18:12:24 GMT
Of course it isn't but we have history to refer to where violence was seen on the left as the right and proper response to a multitude of ills. I will go back to College green in 2009 where Griffin and Brons won seats in the EU parliament and tried to hold a press conference. Banned from entering parliament by new rules designed to exclude them a mob was tipped off they were there and managed through darts, eggs shouting and intimidation to chase them away. These were two representatives of the British electorate and there was no disgust in Parliament with the actions of the mob there was many lessons learned though that representation of any views other than approved views was not allowed here. All things come home to roost eventually. So two wrongs make a right? No people see that rioting works. What other conclusion can be drawn. It has worked from Toxteth onwards. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 18:14:33 GMT
So two wrongs make a right? No people see that rioting works. What other conclusion can be drawn. It has worked from Toxteth onwards. All the more reason for the government not to give in to the recent rioters surely? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 5, 2024 18:20:50 GMT
What this lame government should do now is offer all these illegal migrants/asylum seekers safe passage out of the UK, it's clear they are not welcome, and it doesn't matter how many police there are they can't guarantee the safety of these people 24/7, Labour might as well use this as a chance to clear the backlog of asylum claims, he should be chartering flights and transport to France.
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