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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 11:19:40 GMT
im still laughing at starmers great house building plan , in England , and soon to be scotland if they win at Holyrood.......relax planning laws and hope private builders do the rest. Their slogan was change on the run up to the election ........have you seen any change as yet? So far , it's not listening , we know best , and as you say , identity politics and mass hypocrisy. ....and they wonder why 8/10 people wouldn't vote for them....... Have you seen their plans for net zero . It’s somewhat ambitious. imo this is all labour la la land . yep. Salmond commented on labours net zero policy regarding North Sea jobs , in oil and gas , and how it's going to cost 100 000 people their lively hood . I follow net zero watch on twitter , and have been keenly against net zero for a number of years now ,including the farce that is fully electric cars . I said it earlier , we will have the dreaded pfi projects on steroids , putting the people of the uk massively into needless debt for generations to come as Blair and brown did twenty years ago , much of whose psi debt wea re still paying off. Schools and hospitals for example costing five times what they needed to. Thats before we even start touching on millibands net zero madness. I suspect just like in 2010 , in the aftermath of this starmer government no one will be laughing either. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 11:25:54 GMT
I believe the current anti migrant problem can be traced back to Blairs open door policy from around 2004 , where he opened the floodgates totally against public opinion from the new Eastern European members where most other euro nations put blocks on them. ... The 'anti-migrant problem' has much deeper roots than that. Public sentiment was already anti-migration when Gallup first polled on the subject in the late fifties, and has remained consistently so ever since. perhaps , but migration appeared to be relatively controlled up to that point I mentioned post 2004 , when the floodgates opened. I am a supporter of controlled migration , I dont support mass uncontrolled immigration. My point is though now , as in 2004 , the labour party do not have mandate for continuing mass uncontrolled immigration. Election 2024: our least representative election ever
By Dylan Difford. Dylan is a researcher specialising in elections and voting systems.
And the results are in. As the exit poll was announced when Big Ben struck ten on election night, several things were clear: we were witnessing the beginning of one of the most seismic election results in British history, with nearly half of seats changing hands on their way to producing a Labour landslide, and also about to come face-to-face with one of the most distorted parliaments in the history of modern democracy. Labour’s 63% of seats were won from just 34% of the vote – the largest overrepresentation ever in a British general election. The political right was devastated, the Conservatives falling to their worst result in history and Reform gaining just 5 seats, despite accruing over 4 million votes. The SNP and the Greens were also left severely short-changed. The sole cause of this representational carnage: First Past the Post.
makevotesmatter.org.uk/news/2024/7/6/election-2024-our-least-representative-election-ever/ |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 4, 2024 11:29:51 GMT
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 4, 2024 11:31:42 GMT
Powell did NOT spout a load of racist nonsense, WF. You basically fail to understand what Powell was doing. He said that it was "his duty" to represent to Parliament what his constituents were saying - that's the job of an MP. It's a pity more people don't understand the role of an MP. So far it seems that Labour MPs are basically ignoring the opinions of their constituents and do everything they can to get the muslim vote. If they carry on like this the trouble will just get worse. Powell spoke specifically about black people ( people from British overseas territories in the Caribbean ) People who were BRITISH, people who spoke English, people who were Christians and grew up largely around British culture, they were people who grew up singing "God save the Queen" ( and King ), some of them fought in our armed forces in two world wars. Powell and his supporters had a problem with a persons colour, nothing else, both he and all who support him are out and out racists. You're so stupid WF that you can't even see the truth when it's spelt out to you. Enoch Powell simply represented the views of his constituents to Parliament - which is the whole purpose of Parliament. Powell didn't have a problem with people's colour but his constituents did. He regarded it as his duty to say this to Parliament. He was right to do this as it was his job. Many people objected to these views (most of the MPs in fact) and his political career was damaged. But his constituents' views have turned out to be accurate. The societies that are most cohesive are those that have the least immigration. They're also the most wealthy and with the least terrorism and crime. Countries like Japan. And the lowest terrorism rates are pretty well correlated with the lowest proportion of muslims. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 11:32:58 GMT
I see starmers negative ratings are shooting up Opinium, 31 July to 2 August, with changes on 17-19 July.Starmer as PM35(-3)% Approve24(-5)% Neither32(+12)% Disapprove This is before labours axing of pensioners winter fuel payments , and losing control of law and order are even factored in. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 11:35:18 GMT
The most disenfranchised UK electorate ever, having cruel austerity inflicted on it by the most anti-democratic UK government ever is not a recipe for prosperity and happy times. It’s what gives rise to country-wide protests / riots, and ultimately, major constitutional upheaval.
Good luck troops over the next five years ,we are going to need it under this labour mob.
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 4, 2024 12:25:43 GMT
Inter-communal violence in India was between people of two differing faiths, people from the Caribbean are almost entirely Christian people. What Powell should have done is to promote the idea ( The Truth ) that these people were our own people, who were from our colonies, and who had taken up the call to come here and help us to rebuild our country after the Second World War. The entire notion that there could be, might be, or that there was any possibility of tensions was based 100% and entirely on racism, of the idea that we dont want people in our country who look different, who are a different colour. The sooner you accept Powell was a racist, the better, the historical evidence is pretty overwhelming. What a load of bollocks, fiddles.
The evidence that you are a racist grows with your every post.
Please do explain in your own words what Powell actually meant when he said that "one day the black man will have the whip hand" ? Would you or any other deluded racist care to explain precisely what problem Powells followers actually had, and still have with black people. ? Why cannot you accept reality and facts ? ... that Powell was part of a government which invited people here from the Caribbean to fill labour shortages, and that Powell as Health Minister invited qualified GPs from the Sub Continent to fill our shortage of doctors. Powell cannot be defended, as much as you may try |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 4, 2024 12:32:10 GMT
Inter-communal violence in India was between people of two differing faiths, people from the Caribbean are almost entirely Christian people. What Powell should have done is to promote the idea ( The Truth ) that these people were our own people, who were from our colonies, and who had taken up the call to come here and help us to rebuild our country after the Second World War. The entire notion that there could be, might be, or that there was any possibility of tensions was based 100% and entirely on racism, of the idea that we dont want people in our country who look different, who are a different colour. The sooner you accept Powell was a racist, the better, the historical evidence is pretty overwhelming. It's quite clear there is a gaping chasm in your knowledge of Powell and his philosophies, but that is rather common with one-eyed leftie zealots. It's not something I intend to devote any effort into correcting.
It would be interesting though to learn more about this 'call' you say was issued to West Indians after WWII. Who gave it, and when?
Its not my fault that you dont know very much about post war British history (CNN) Invited to the UK decades ago, now they must prove they’re British (CNN) They came to help rebuild Britain after the devastation of World War Two, invited by the UK government to lay roads, drive buses, clean hospitals and nurse the sick. edition.cnn.com/2018/04/16/europe/uk-windrush-generation-intl/index.html |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 4, 2024 12:33:03 GMT
Deflection is the word . I’ve heard better arguments from a child who doesn’t want a bath . Im think we both predicted a Labour government of identity politics and hypocrisy. It only took a month for it to emerge . im still laughing at starmers great house building plan , in England , and soon to be scotland if they win at Holyrood.......relax planning laws and hope private builders do the rest. Their slogan was change on the run up to the election ........have you seen any change as yet? So far , it's not listening , we know best , and as you say , identity politics and mass hypocrisy. ....and they wonder why 8/10 people wouldn't vote for them.......
If Jonsky the brickie wasn't currently banned he could update on how the great housebuilding plan is going so far |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 12:35:18 GMT
im still laughing at starmers great house building plan , in England , and soon to be scotland if they win at Holyrood.......relax planning laws and hope private builders do the rest. Their slogan was change on the run up to the election ........have you seen any change as yet? So far , it's not listening , we know best , and as you say , identity politics and mass hypocrisy. ....and they wonder why 8/10 people wouldn't vote for them.......
If Jonsky the brickie wasn't currently banned he could update on how the great housebuilding plan is going so far last I read the great plan was about building more unaffordable low quality over priced housing on floodplains so they could scream about climate change when these new estates flooded. No one could accuse labour of not having a method to their madness....... |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 4, 2024 12:43:01 GMT
It's quite clear there is a gaping chasm in your knowledge of Powell and his philosophies, but that is rather common with one-eyed leftie zealots. It's not something I intend to devote any effort into correcting.
It would be interesting though to learn more about this 'call' you say was issued to West Indians after WWII. Who gave it, and when?
Its not my fault that you dont know very much about post war British history (CNN) Invited to the UK decades ago, now they must prove they’re British (CNN) They came to help rebuild Britain after the devastation of World War Two, invited by the UK government to lay roads, drive buses, clean hospitals and nurse the sick. edition.cnn.com/2018/04/16/europe/uk-windrush-generation-intl/index.htmlCurious that you would need to cite an American TV news outlet as an authority on post-war British history. I should have thought there were many other, more credible sources a little light googling could turn up.
So again, when did the UK government issue these invitations you mention, and to whom?
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Post by sandypine on Aug 4, 2024 12:44:35 GMT
What a load of bollocks, fiddles.
The evidence that you are a racist grows with your every post.
Please do explain in your own words what Powell actually meant when he said that "one day the black man will have the whip hand" ? Would you or any other deluded racist care to explain precisely what problem Powells followers actually had, and still have with black people. ? Why cannot you accept reality and facts ? ... that Powell was part of a government which invited people here from the Caribbean to fill labour shortages, and that Powell as Health Minister invited qualified GPs from the Sub Continent to fill our shortage of doctors. Powell cannot be defended, as much as you may try Powell outlined the problems clearly in his Birmingham speech with examples of the problems face by ordinary Brits. His support in the country from the ordinary voter was widespread and it was the MSM and Parliament that fought not just his views but those of many of his constituents and indeed their own constituents. It is 60 years since Patrick Gordon Walker got the bum's rush in Smethwick where an area that was over 90% white UK was changing rapidly due to immigration and the locals did not like it. Eventually the locals were ignored and the the town is now 55% ethnic minority. Now we could argue whether this is a good thing or a bad thing but what it should always be is a democratic decision and it was never, and I mean never, proposed as any form of policy to be undertaken. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 4, 2024 13:03:46 GMT
Its not my fault that you dont know very much about post war British history (CNN) Invited to the UK decades ago, now they must prove they’re British (CNN) They came to help rebuild Britain after the devastation of World War Two, invited by the UK government to lay roads, drive buses, clean hospitals and nurse the sick. edition.cnn.com/2018/04/16/europe/uk-windrush-generation-intl/index.htmlCurious that you would need to cite an American TV news outlet as an authority on post-war British history. I should have thought there were many other, more credible sources a little light googling could turn up.
So again, when did the UK government issue these invitations you mention, and to whom?
The government invited people here from the colonies London Transport invited people here from the colonies The NHS invited people here from the colonies Intelligent people who know anything about modern British history know this to be factual, but obviously you dont. (London Transport Museum) ... In the period after the Second World War, London Transport (LT) experienced labour shortages. To maintain a sufficiently large workforce, the organisation increasingly needed to look beyond London itself. In February 1956, it began a recruitment drive in the Caribbean, at the invitation of the government of Barbados. Many thousands made the journey from the Caribbean to Britain to work on London’s transport system. www.ltmuseum.co.uk/collections/stories/people/london-transports-caribbean-recruitment |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 4, 2024 13:03:48 GMT
Please do explain in your own words what Powell actually meant when he said that "one day the black man will have the whip hand" ? Try looking around you at the two tier system currently being exercised by your friends in government. Powell cannot be defended, as much as you may try Powell was right - all of his predictions are coming true. However much you may pretend otherwise.
White English people are the most tolerant on Earth but they are becoming tired of the special treatment being extended to others while they get the blame for all the ills of society.
There is currently no Far Right in the UK. But carry on as you are if you want to precipitate one.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 4, 2024 13:16:02 GMT
"The government invited people here from the colonies
London Transport invited people here from the colonies
The NHS invited people here from the coloniesLondon Transport and the NHS are not, and have never been, part of the government. I'm still waiting for details of when and how the UK government invited people from the colonies.
"Intelligent people who know anything about modern British history know this to be factual, but obviously you dont."
Is that so. But anyway, let's see what the man himself had to say on the matter. This is a statement by Powell himself during the course of a Commons debate on NHS Staffing, and is directly relevant to the subject at hand.
It is a very good thing that the House should have an opportunity to consider in a broad context recruitment to the National Health Service, because, as the hon. Member for St. Pancras, North (Mr. K. Robinson) said, there has been a good deal of misrepresentation about the trends of recruitment in the Health Service, and the perpetuation of this misrepresentation cannot do other than harm the future of the Service. I want, therefore, to take this opportunity to put the facts of recruitment to the Health Service clearly before the House of Commons and the public. [/quote] He then proceeds to describe at some length the employment structures within the NHS and the corrective measures taken to mitigate the disastrous effects of the 1956 Willink Report on medical training. After explaining the increasing in trainee doctors in recent years, he goes on to discuss overseas recruitment. [/div]
There has been one argument to the contrary still advanced. It is said that this manning up of the Service, at any rate in the hospitals, is largely or entirely due to an increase in the number of overseas doctors who are serving in our hospitals. I think I should say, in using this phrase "overseas doctors", it includes several hundred doctors who studied and qualified in this country. It means quite literally doctors, wherever qualified, who were born outside the British Isles. But this increase—and an increase there has been—is far from accounting for the total strengthening of the medical staff of the hospitals.
If we take, for instance, the last 10 years, we find that in the hospital service there has been an increase of no fewer than 4,000 doctors, while at the end of the 10-year period, running from 1950 to 1960, there were approximately 3,000 overseas doctors in all in the junior ranks—and they nearly all are in the junior ranks—in the hospital service. In other words, the increase in the total medical staff of the hospitals was much greater than not only the increase in the number of overseas doctors but the total number of overseas doctors. Therefore, even on the ludicrously extreme assumption—which, of course, is not true—that there had been no overseas doctors at all at the beginning of the 10 years, there would still have been a substantial and steady increase in the number of British doctors in the hospital service.
These are figures which completely refute the notion that service in the National Health Service is somehow not attractive to the graduates of our British medical schools. It is attractive to them, and they are coming into it. Their numbers in every branch of this Service are increasing, and it is right that these facts should be placed upon the record and should be widely known.
[Hansard 27.3.62] [/quote] As Minister of Health, Powell's wishes or opinions would have had little or no effect on the recruitment decisions made by individual Health Authorities, just as those of a present-day Minister of Health would have similarly little effect. The Minister of Health does not dictate immigration policy - although he may influence its development as Powell did on the ministerial Commonwealth Migrants Committee which oversaw the 1961 Commonwealth Immigrants Bill. In Powell's time as MoH, there was no restriction whatsoever on entry of Commonwealth citizens until July 1962. After that date, Health Authorities were still at complete liberty to recruit whomever they wished from abroad, providing the recruit was in possession of a work permit or employment voucher (issued by the Ministry of Labour in numbers requiring Cabinet approval). Powell had no control over or even influence in this process. [/div]
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