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Post by Pacifico on Aug 4, 2024 10:54:24 GMT
Labour have managed to divide the country more in 4 weeks than the Tories managed in 14 years. And we thought the Tories were bad. This far left government is going to be an absolute shithouse. Which Labour policies enacted in the last 4 weeks do you think caused all of this? Amnesty for 100,000 illegal migrants - the scrapping of the rise in salary requirements for dependents - the discussions about joining the EU asylum scheme and taking in a quota of their migrants - call to take in more Afghan asylum seekers.. There is nothing that Labour has done or said that would make anyone think that immigration rules were going to be toughened and numbers fall.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 4, 2024 10:57:00 GMT
won’t mince my words, as frankly, I am furious. I have been proud of how effectively fellow @conservatives have called out anti-Semitism since October 7th. However, I am extremely disappointed, albeit unsurprised, that these same individuals are unable to denounce far-right racist bigotry and violence with the same fervour. Top Tories like @suellabraverman, @kemibadenoch, @pritipatel, @jamescleverly, @rishisunak, @robertjenrick, @meljstride, and @tomtugendhat often tout our party as a model for the success of multiracial Britain when it suits them. And it is. Yet, when it comes to confronting the racists attempting to undermine our multiracial democracy, it becomes politically inconvenient to call it out for what it is. The Overton window has shifted so far that labelling racists as “racist” is now deemed too “woke” to risk the blowback! Let me tell you, it is right, not woke, to condemn the racists in our midst. It is perfectly legitimate to say: “immigration is too high and that some communities have not done enough to integrate.” Whilst at the same time saying: “the racist thugs attacking civilians, places of worship, and public and private buildings should feel the full force of the law, including any breaches of anti-discrimination legislation.” And: “racists have no place in our society or in our party, and rioters have gone much further in these riots than expressing legitimate concern.” I will remind you that if you follow the logic that these rioters have legitimate concerns, they are rioting against OUR IMMIGRATION AND INTEGRATION POLICIES. You are weak, not “anti-woke,” for taking a strong stance on anti-Semitism since October 7th while remaining passive on the other forms of racial discrimination we've witnessed this week. I believe you are all better than this. Yes, Suella, even you! Prove it. x.com/albieamankona/status/1820008152370221465?t=ZYZi7JPDX85h1iJ_OU1CSg&s=19
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 10:58:07 GMT
Labour have managed to divide the country more in 4 weeks than the Tories managed in 14 years. And we thought the Tories were bad. This far left government is going to be an absolute shithouse. Which Labour policies enacted in the last 4 weeks do you think caused all of this? I believe the current anti migrant problem can be traced back to Blairs open door policy from around 2004 , where he opened the floodgates totally against public opinion from the new Eastern European members where most other euro nations put blocks on them. That then fed the anti EU sentiment , led to the Brexit referendum in 2016 , and the deeply unpopular sentiment against freedom of movement , and now has spiralled out of control with 20 years of both labour and tory , twin cheeks of the same arse , mass uncontrolled immigration. Tony Blair is more responsible for the rise of the so called far right , and the uk leaving the EU than any other person alive . Including bogeymen such as Farage. Its more the lack of policy , critical thinking , and ability to listen from starmers labour , coupled with a lack of public support and trust , rather then any direct policy that I have seen personally. Are labour going to curb mass uncontrolled immigration that is upsetting the public , and how are they going to do it?
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 4, 2024 10:59:32 GMT
Which Labour policies enacted in the last 4 weeks do you think caused all of this? Amnesty for 100,000 illegal migrants - the scrapping of the rise in salary requirements for dependents - the discussions about joining the EU asylum scheme and taking in a quota of their migrants - call to take in more Afghan asylum seekers.. There is nothing that Labour has done or said that would make anyone think that immigration rules were going to be toughened and numbers fall. Do you have a link for the amnesty policy? People are rioting and looting shops about discussions with the EU?
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Post by Totheleft on Aug 4, 2024 11:00:18 GMT
Oh yea poor mr white Guy lol . Hows the black and white minstrels doing . It never was the same since Lenny Henry left . Didn't Know sir Henry was init well you learn something everyday
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 11:01:44 GMT
I agree. The few posts ive read this morning does appear to be nothing more than deflective nonsense. As I said , ignoring peoples concerns , screaming racist at everything that moves , while lecturing folk on how labour know best really is a recipe for disaster. Batten down the hatches if they aren't already , I think we are in for a bad five years Bentley. The start of this disastrous starmer government really does not inspire me or give me any sort of hope for the near future. Deflection is the word . I’ve heard better arguments from a child who doesn’t want a bath . Im think we both predicted a Labour government of identity politics and hypocrisy. It only took a month for it to emerge . im still laughing at starmers great house building plan , in England , and soon to be scotland if they win at Holyrood.......relax planning laws and hope private builders do the rest. Their slogan was change on the run up to the election ........have you seen any change as yet? So far , it's not listening , we know best , and as you say , identity politics and mass hypocrisy. ....and they wonder why 8/10 people wouldn't vote for them.......
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 11:03:22 GMT
Amnesty for 100,000 illegal migrants - the scrapping of the rise in salary requirements for dependents - the discussions about joining the EU asylum scheme and taking in a quota of their migrants - call to take in more Afghan asylum seekers.. There is nothing that Labour has done or said that would make anyone think that immigration rules were going to be toughened and numbers fall. Do you have a link for the amnesty policy? People are rioting and looting shops about discussions with the EU? do you have a link on labour policy on how they are going to curb , or addresss , or even listen to the publics concerns on mass uncontrolled immigration ?
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 4, 2024 11:07:15 GMT
Do you have a link for the amnesty policy? People are rioting and looting shops about discussions with the EU? do you have a link on labour policy on how they are going to curb , or addresss , or even listen to the publics concerns on mass uncontrolled immigration ? I never claimed any such thing exists. I personally suspect that no party could significantly reduce net immigration without taking a serious hit to our standard of living and this is something none of the major parties, including Reform, will admit.
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 11:09:52 GMT
do you have a link on labour policy on how they are going to curb , or addresss , or even listen to the publics concerns on mass uncontrolled immigration ? I never claimed any such thing exists. I personally suspect that no party could significantly reduce net immigration without taking a serious hit to our standard of living and this is something none of the major parties, including Reform, will admit. never mind what other parties are or aren't going to do. They aren't in government , and they dont control immigration policy. I asked you what labour , the current no mandate government of the uk are going to do .? From your latest diversionary waffle , I suspect nothing , just yet more of the same. From the party that told us vote labour for change.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 4, 2024 11:10:44 GMT
Deflection is the word . I’ve heard better arguments from a child who doesn’t want a bath . Im think we both predicted a Labour government of identity politics and hypocrisy. It only took a month for it to emerge . im still laughing at starmers great house building plan , in England , and soon to be scotland if they win at Holyrood.......relax planning laws and hope private builders do the rest. Their slogan was change on the run up to the election ........have you seen any change as yet? So far , it's not listening , we know best , and as you say , identity politics and mass hypocrisy. ....and they wonder why 8/10 people wouldn't vote for them....... Have you seen their plans for net zero . It’s somewhat ambitious. imo this is all labour la la land .
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 4, 2024 11:12:00 GMT
Amnesty for 100,000 illegal migrants - the scrapping of the rise in salary requirements for dependents - the discussions about joining the EU asylum scheme and taking in a quota of their migrants - call to take in more Afghan asylum seekers.. There is nothing that Labour has done or said that would make anyone think that immigration rules were going to be toughened and numbers fall. Do you have a link for the amnesty policy? People are rioting and looting shops about discussions with the EU? The scrapping of the Rwanda scheme and the subsequent allowing those on the deportation list to claim asylum. Prior to that anyone arriving in the UK illegally were not allowed to claim asylum.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 4, 2024 11:13:06 GMT
Actually Powell's underlying concern was the introduction into Britain of the inter-communal violence he had witnessed in India while serving there, as well as the racial strife then currently endemic in the United States. He predicted that if immigration were not curtailed and present immigrants repatriated then the same problems would arise in Britain, and who's to say he was wrong? Inter-communal violence in India was between people of two differing faiths, people from the Caribbean are almost entirely Christian people. What Powell should have done is to promote the idea ( The Truth ) that these people were our own people, who were from our colonies, and who had taken up the call to come here and help us to rebuild our country after the Second World War. The entire notion that there could be, might be, or that there was any possibility of tensions was based 100% and entirely on racism, of the idea that we dont want people in our country who look different, who are a different colour. The sooner you accept Powell was a racist, the better, the historical evidence is pretty overwhelming. It's quite clear there is a gaping chasm in your knowledge of Powell and his philosophies, but that is rather common with one-eyed leftie zealots. It's not something I intend to devote any effort into correcting.
It would be interesting though to learn more about this 'call' you say was issued to West Indians after WWII. Who gave it, and when?
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 4, 2024 11:14:27 GMT
Do you have a link for the amnesty policy? People are rioting and looting shops about discussions with the EU? The scrapping of the Rwanda scheme and the subsequent allowing those on the deportation list to claim asylum. Prior to that anyone arriving in the UK illegally were not allowed to claim asylum. So no specific policy to give 100,000 asylum seekers amnesty then? How many illegal immigrants did the Rwanda scheme deport?
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Post by Bentley on Aug 4, 2024 11:16:56 GMT
The scrapping of the Rwanda scheme and the subsequent allowing those on the deportation list to claim asylum. Prior to that anyone arriving in the UK illegally were not allowed to claim asylum. So no specific policy to give 100,000 asylum seekers amnesty then? How many illegal immigrants did the Rwanda scheme deport? Not enough . But it did worry some migrants enough to go to Ireland apparently.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 4, 2024 11:16:57 GMT
Which Labour policies enacted in the last 4 weeks do you think caused all of this? I believe the current anti migrant problem can be traced back to Blairs open door policy from around 2004 , where he opened the floodgates totally against public opinion from the new Eastern European members where most other euro nations put blocks on them. ... The 'anti-migrant problem' has much deeper roots than that. Public sentiment was already anti-migration when Gallup first polled on the subject in the late fifties, and has remained consistently so ever since.
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