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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 6, 2024 19:52:36 GMT
Soft sentences for White Rioters: www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9900dmxzd8oTwo Months for being involved in a racially motivated riot, and causing criminal damage while doing so is an utter joke. The second guy, involved in public disorder, and in possession of a class A drugs doesn't even go to prison. Those people targeted by these vile scum will, quite rightly, feel let down by the criminal justice system. All The Best Two tier eh? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 6, 2024 20:04:12 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15gg123ydqoTwo suspects, who are minors, not publicly named by the Courts. Can we now expect riots, outright lies, and speculation simply because the Court carried out its legal duty NOT to name Minors. Surely if we don't see such it will mean the rioters are hypocrites as well as racists? All The Best
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Post by sandypine on Aug 6, 2024 20:13:15 GMT
But you have to compare like with like and the parameter chosen is dying in custody under restraint. People are dying in custody under restraint because they are resisting arrest so you have to look at the ethnic breakdown as regards resisting arrest. If the figures show that a black man resisting arrest is seven times more likely to die than a white man resisting arrest I would say yes there is a problem. If the figures show that black people resist arrest in a far greater proportion than white people then the numbers are not as bad as some make out. It is the misuse of stats to create a picture that may not be as accurate or as bad as some would have us believe. Present me with some objective data that says otherwise from a credible source and I will reconsider my position. The point is that that is not recorded yet it is the only true way to compare the different treatment of ethnic groups if that actually exists. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53407560 "Metropolitan Police officers are four times more likely to use force against black people compared with the white population, new figures have suggested. Restraint techniques are also more likely to be used on black people, according to force records. A serving officer told the BBC this was because police found black people "more threatening and aggressive". Scotland Yard said "the causes of disproportionality are not straightforward". Assistant Commissioner Nick Ephgrave told the BBC the police response could only be judged when taking into account "the types of crimes committed, the type of demographics of individuals involved in those crimes". The Met used force 159,000 times in 2019-20, external, with more than a third of cases involving black people. While force was used on white people more often, the rate of incidents was lower compared to the proportion of London's population that was white, according to Greater London Authority estimates." The big question is was force used four times more likely because the police are racist bastards or was it because resisting arrest was more likely from black suspects. Everyone apart from the agenda driven left sees that the problem is not as simple as police bad, ethnic minorities victimised. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 6, 2024 20:14:53 GMT
Present me with some objective data that says otherwise from a credible source and I will reconsider my position. The point is that that is not recorded yet it is the only true way to compare the different treatment of ethnic groups if that actually exists. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53407560 "Metropolitan Police officers are four times more likely to use force against black people compared with the white population, new figures have suggested. Restraint techniques are also more likely to be used on black people, according to force records. A serving officer told the BBC this was because police found black people "more threatening and aggressive". Scotland Yard said "the causes of disproportionality are not straightforward". Assistant Commissioner Nick Ephgrave told the BBC the police response could only be judged when taking into account "the types of crimes committed, the type of demographics of individuals involved in those crimes". The Met used force 159,000 times in 2019-20, external, with more than a third of cases involving black people. While force was used on white people more often, the rate of incidents was lower compared to the proportion of London's population that was white, according to Greater London Authority estimates." The big question is was force used four times more likely because the police are racist bastards or was it because resisting arrest was more likely from black suspects. Everyone apart from the agenda driven left sees that the problem is not as simple as police bad, ethnic minorities victimised. Are these statistics what you would expect to see in a justice system stacked in favour of ethnic minorities? |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 6, 2024 21:47:34 GMT
Soft sentences for White Rioters: www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9900dmxzd8oTwo Months for being involved in a racially motivated riot, and causing criminal damage while doing so is an utter joke. The second guy, involved in public disorder, and in possession of a class A drugs doesn't even go to prison. Those people targeted by these vile scum will, quite rightly, feel let down by the criminal justice system.
All The Best I think they will feel the same as a lot of people who have gone through the same for many years.. The system certainly is not colour blind. |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 7, 2024 4:52:24 GMT
Can you debate what Slater has said or can you only try and "denigrate" him? His comment "elite identitarianism – with its crusades against whiteness and white privilege – has been a recruiting sergeant for a white-identitarian backlash."Is complete and utter hogwash, that exposes his extremely shallow and biased thinking. As for your "denigrate him". My point was made in all honesty, he denigrates himself with his exaggerated comment. Have another go. You failed to debate the words and yet again resorted with nothing other than your own biased opinion about HIM. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 6:52:24 GMT
The point is that that is not recorded yet it is the only true way to compare the different treatment of ethnic groups if that actually exists. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53407560 "Metropolitan Police officers are four times more likely to use force against black people compared with the white population, new figures have suggested. Restraint techniques are also more likely to be used on black people, according to force records. A serving officer told the BBC this was because police found black people "more threatening and aggressive". Scotland Yard said "the causes of disproportionality are not straightforward". Assistant Commissioner Nick Ephgrave told the BBC the police response could only be judged when taking into account "the types of crimes committed, the type of demographics of individuals involved in those crimes". The Met used force 159,000 times in 2019-20, external, with more than a third of cases involving black people. While force was used on white people more often, the rate of incidents was lower compared to the proportion of London's population that was white, according to Greater London Authority estimates." The big question is was force used four times more likely because the police are racist bastards or was it because resisting arrest was more likely from black suspects. Everyone apart from the agenda driven left sees that the problem is not as simple as police bad, ethnic minorities victimised. Are these statistics what you would expect to see in a justice system stacked in favour of ethnic minorities? They are statistics and people are free to draw conclusions from them. The police themselves find that BAME suspects tend to be more aggressive as they clearly state. At some point you have to consider the possibility that it is not all whitey's fault. |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 7, 2024 7:21:40 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15gg123ydqoTwo suspects, who are minors, not publicly named by the Courts. Can we now expect riots, outright lies, and speculation simply because the Court carried out its legal duty NOT to name Minors. Surely if we don't see such it will mean the rioters are hypocrites as well as racists? All The Best Did they go on a stabbing frenzy or something? |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 7, 2024 7:30:15 GMT
Are these statistics what you would expect to see in a justice system stacked in favour of ethnic minorities? They are statistics and people are free to draw conclusions from them. The police themselves find that BAME suspects tend to be more aggressive as they clearly state. At some point you have to consider the possibility that it is not all whitey's fault. I don't think that will happen, it's usually always whitey's fault. Sandy, you realise where this two-tier policing stems from? The MacPherson report. Ever since that police have gone out their way to try an show they're not institutionally racist. They've swung the pendulum too far, they'll bend the knee at BLM protests whilst the statue of Churchill is getting vandalised, they'll rainbow up their cars and fart arse about like pansies on Pride parades, then they'll get the riot gear on for the white working class. They're demonstrating to all and sundry how they aren't "institutionally racist" anymore. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 7:46:02 GMT
They are statistics and people are free to draw conclusions from them. The police themselves find that BAME suspects tend to be more aggressive as they clearly state. At some point you have to consider the possibility that it is not all whitey's fault. I don't think that will happen, it's usually always whitey's fault. Sandy, you realise where this two-tier policing stems from? The MacPherson report. Ever since that police have gone out their way to try an show they're not institutionally racist. They've swung the pendulum too far, they'll bend the knee whilst the a statue of Churchill is getting vandalised, they'll rainbow up their cars and fart arse about like pansies on Pride parades, then they'll get the riot gear on for the white working class. They're demonstrating to all and sundry how they aren't "institutionally racist" anymore. All of the data and statistics I've seen with regards to sentencing, deaths in police custody, stop and search etc suggests the opposite. Here's an instance: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/21/metropolitan-police-institutionally-racist-misogynistic-homophobic-louise-casey-report |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 7, 2024 8:05:12 GMT
I don't think that will happen, it's usually always whitey's fault. Sandy, you realise where this two-tier policing stems from? The MacPherson report. Ever since that police have gone out their way to try an show they're not institutionally racist. They've swung the pendulum too far, they'll bend the knee whilst the a statue of Churchill is getting vandalised, they'll rainbow up their cars and fart arse about like pansies on Pride parades, then they'll get the riot gear on for the white working class. They're demonstrating to all and sundry how they aren't "institutionally racist" anymore. All of the data and statistics I've seen with regards to sentencing, deaths in police custody, stop and search etc suggests the opposite. Here's an instance: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/21/metropolitan-police-institutionally-racist-misogynistic-homophobic-louise-casey-reportSandy's stats further up shed light on that. And your article only confirms my opinion and from what I've seen, that the police are trying to demonstrate their even-handedness when tackling whitey, and turning a blind eye to Muslims' threatening Jews, Watching on as London gets vandalised because of its links to colonial past etc. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 8:09:12 GMT
Sandy's stats further up shed light on that. How do they shed light on the Met Police "is guilty of institutional racism, misogyny and homophobia"? |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 7, 2024 8:12:03 GMT
Sandy's stats further up shed light on that. How do they shed light on the Met Police "is guilty of institutional racism, misogyny and homophobia"?
So if that is what you believe what do you propose should be done? |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 8:14:40 GMT
I don't think that will happen, it's usually always whitey's fault. Sandy, you realise where this two-tier policing stems from? The MacPherson report. Ever since that police have gone out their way to try an show they're not institutionally racist. They've swung the pendulum too far, they'll bend the knee whilst the a statue of Churchill is getting vandalised, they'll rainbow up their cars and fart arse about like pansies on Pride parades, then they'll get the riot gear on for the white working class. They're demonstrating to all and sundry how they aren't "institutionally racist" anymore. All of the data and statistics I've seen with regards to sentencing, deaths in police custody, stop and search etc suggests the opposite. Here's an instance: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/21/metropolitan-police-institutionally-racist-misogynistic-homophobic-louise-casey-reportWell the police service was told to reflect the cultural diversity of those whom they police and value that diversity. How can you 'value' something that is antithetical to the actual laws one is trying to uphold. It is a disaster area where the police try to be all things to all people and fail miserably. My family links to the MET indicate that morale is at an all time low |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 7, 2024 8:15:43 GMT
Sandy's stats further up shed light on that. How do they shed light on the Met Police "is guilty of institutional racism, misogyny and homophobia"? They don't. They shed light on your request for objective stats to be presented to you before you change your opinion. |
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