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Post by witchfinder on Aug 4, 2024 18:33:22 GMT
Downing Street was under attack by opportunists, scumbgs who somehow wanted to attempt to connect the vicious murder of three children with either Muslims, asylum seekers, immigrants or foreigners. This originally was only about the murder of three children, but the hungry Blood Hounds wouldn't rest until they were told whether the culprit was white, or not, or whether the rumours circulating were true, that he was an asylum seeker, OR WORSE ... A Muslim, or a Muslim asylum seeker. Suddenly, the murder of the three innocent children, and the respect of their families and community didn't matter any more. The opportunists, the far right rabble rousers, including the likes of Farage and Tice were onto something, they saw a wonderfull political opportunity here. Somehow, they could try to connect immigration with the murder of these children, a Golden Opportunity for such Rats could not be left to just go by. THAT'S Why Downing Street was under attack - and there are posters here on these boards who also decided that there is opportunity here to further their Nazi opinions, that there is a connection between a terrible murder and black people. Unfortunately there is a direct link between black people and the three murders and 8 attempted murders and these are not isolated incidents as Kent showed us going all the way back to Lee Rigby. Every group commits murders to an unknown level, the random murders mostly on white people seems to come from BAME groups in the main Your views are the views of a Nazi You are implying that black people are more likely to be murderers because they are black. Now explain how different coloured pigmentation of a persons skin somehow makes them more likely to commit murder. Now, if you did the intelligent thing, and suggested that black people are more likely to commit crimes because of issues or problems within society over several generations, then you would be close to the truth. But NO ONE is more criminally minded due to the colour of their skin ... no one. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 4, 2024 18:47:28 GMT
Unfortunately there is a direct link between black people and the three murders and 8 attempted murders and these are not isolated incidents as Kent showed us going all the way back to Lee Rigby. Every group commits murders to an unknown level, the random murders mostly on white people seems to come from BAME groups in the main Your views are the views of a Nazi You are implying that black people are more likely to be murderers because they are black. Now explain how different coloured pigmentation of a persons skin somehow makes them more likely to commit murder. Now, if you did the intelligent thing, and suggested that black people are more likely to commit crimes because of issues or problems within society over several generations, then you would be close to the truth. But NO ONE is more criminally minded due to the colour of their skin ... no one. Not so they are called a belief in diversity. People do not commit more murders because they are black but more murders proportionally emanate from the BAME sections of society especially recent new Britons. That is just a plain fact. They may commit more crimes in society because of societal issues but then if those issues exist what sense does it make to increase the numbers who may or may not be on the receiving end of those societal issues? I see no sense in that at all, do you? That is why people are angry because the problems are not being resolved but they are continually added to in large numbers. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 18:51:31 GMT
110% correct, I was trying to put it in to words, but you've done it admirably, Thomas. there is a guy on this forum who lives in Wales , John of gwent , who sees himself as British. There are English folk on here , vinny , for example , who from interacting with him sees himself as British. There are others who see themselves as English , I and moray loon see ourselves as Scottish. So why does pro veritas assume that a Rwandan couple who give birth to a child in a welsh hospital automatically means that that child sees himself as welsh?
The mind fucking boggles at the simplistic tripe the liberal left come out with. Nationality is a complicated idea that really does depend on many factors. we will wait to see though if we have proof of this guy seeing himself as welsh. I don't. That is you doing exactly what you accuse me of and putting words into my mouth - that makes you a hypocrite. All I said was that because he WAS born in Wales his legal Nationality is Welsh.If you can prove any falsehood in that statement I will fully concede that argument to you. What the mind really boggles at is how many Members here are permitted by the Mods to get away with spouting racist bile, when doing so is against both the Forum Rules and the Pro Boards Terms of Service. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 18:52:33 GMT
Your views are the views of a Nazi You are implying that black people are more likely to be murderers because they are black. Now explain how different coloured pigmentation of a persons skin somehow makes them more likely to commit murder. Now, if you did the intelligent thing, and suggested that black people are more likely to commit crimes because of issues or problems within society over several generations, then you would be close to the truth. But NO ONE is more criminally minded due to the colour of their skin ... no one. Not so they are called a belief in diversity. People do not commit more murders because they are black but more murders proportionally emanate from the BAME sections of society especially recent new Britons. That is just a plain fact. They may commit more crimes in society because of societal issues but then if those issues exist what sense does it make to increase the numbers who may or may not be on the receiving end of those societal issues? I see no sense in that at all, do you? That is why people are angry because the problems are not being resolved but they are continually added to in large numbers. You have peer reviewed evidence to support that fact? If not it is just opinion. All The best |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 4, 2024 19:20:57 GMT
Not so they are called a belief in diversity. People do not commit more murders because they are black but more murders proportionally emanate from the BAME sections of society especially recent new Britons. That is just a plain fact. They may commit more crimes in society because of societal issues but then if those issues exist what sense does it make to increase the numbers who may or may not be on the receiving end of those societal issues? I see no sense in that at all, do you? That is why people are angry because the problems are not being resolved but they are continually added to in large numbers. You have peer reviewed evidence to support that fact? If not it is just opinion. All The best If you weave your way around the ONS information on murders and prison populations over the last decade. The answer eventually pops out. There are about 6000 murders in the last ten years. Just gradually totalling the the numbers brings you to about 1200 carried out by BAME in a very short time and incomplete. So easily get over 20% within 10 years with incomplete assessment for 5 years of that. It does require a bit of legwork. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 4, 2024 20:47:14 GMT
A second generation migrant has the nationality that it says on the passport and the national identity of a mixture of the parents and the country on the passport.
Thats why Anthony Joshua can call himself British and bang on about how he loves and is a part of Nigeria at the same time
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 5, 2024 12:50:18 GMT
All I said was that because he WAS born in Wales his legal Nationality is Welsh.because he WAS born in Wales his legal Nationality is British. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 5, 2024 13:00:01 GMT
Over the last 19 years there have been a number of terrorist attacks which have broken down community relations and exacerbated fears and mistrust.
Girls were murdered in an attack we were told wasn't terrorism but details about the attack were withheld despite it being in the public interest to know details about.
Without information comes speculation. Speculation becomes rumour, rumour becomes false news.
Anger builds.
The Police and the political response has been mishandled.
Nevertheless the riots are a disgrace.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 5, 2024 13:17:06 GMT
Doesn’t really matter where the alleged offender was born what happened was a catalyst for frustrations and fears real or imagined. around immigrants legal or otherwise that are now resulting in what we are seeing.
TBF fair to Starmer and I really don’t rate him this has been building for at least two decades or more and successive administrations whilst promising action did bugger all ignored the plebs and now the chickens have come home to roost and Starmer is paying the price and is out of his depth imo.
I feel sorry for the parents of the murdered girls whose loss has been hijacked,the cops taking the flak again and some very frightened people by what’s taking place.
Whilst I would never excuse rioting this is a result of the Westminster bubble and their vision that few shared or were consulted on short termism of policy and selective blindness to what was happening in this country.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 5, 2024 13:29:50 GMT
They keep going on about social media misinformation, misinformation is the only information we have been given about the murder of the girls, and other major issues. We've had the met police chief Rowley even showing displays of aggression when he couldn't answer a simple question about two tier policing, well he's setting a good example FFS.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 14:11:08 GMT
Doesn’t really matter where the alleged offender was born what happened was a catalyst for frustrations and fears real or imagined. around immigrants legal or otherwise that are now resulting in what we are seeing. TBF fair to Starmer and I really don’t rate him this has been building for at least two decades or more and successive administrations whilst promising action did bugger all ignored the plebs and now the chickens have come home to roost and Starmer is paying the price and is out of his depth imo. I feel sorry for the parents of the murdered girls whose loss has been hijacked,the cops taking the flak again and some very frightened people by what’s taking place. Whilst I would never excuse rioting this is a result of the Westminster bubble and their vision that few shared or were consulted on short termism of policy and selective blindness to what was happening in this country. The rioting is a result of the rioters choosing to riot. People attacking the police or looting shops have nothing to do with the Westminster bubble. The people have been listened to, we just had an election and Labour won. We shouldn't be allowing a few hundred thugs bully us into implementing a losing manifesto. Remind me what the 48% who voted Remain were told when they complained that they weren't being listened to. As I said before all this legitimate concerns talk is reminding me more and more of the kind of victim blaming nonsense coming from some on the left after 7/7. The "look what you made me do" argument was intellectually and morally bankrupt then and now. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 14:31:37 GMT
Doesn’t really matter where the alleged offender was born what happened was a catalyst for frustrations and fears real or imagined. around immigrants legal or otherwise that are now resulting in what we are seeing. TBF fair to Starmer and I really don’t rate him this has been building for at least two decades or more and successive administrations whilst promising action did bugger all ignored the plebs and now the chickens have come home to roost and Starmer is paying the price and is out of his depth imo. I feel sorry for the parents of the murdered girls whose loss has been hijacked,the cops taking the flak again and some very frightened people by what’s taking place. Whilst I would never excuse rioting this is a result of the Westminster bubble and their vision that few shared or were consulted on short termism of policy and selective blindness to what was happening in this country. The rioting is a result of the rioters choosing to riot. People attacking the police or looting shops have nothing to do with the Westminster bubble. The people have been listened to, we just had an election and Labour won. We shouldn't be allowing a few hundred thugs bully us into implementing a losing manifesto. Remind me what the 48% who voted Remain were told when they complained that they weren't being listened to. As I said before all this legitimate concerns talk is reminding me more and more of the kind of victim blaming nonsense coming from some on the left after 7/7. The "look what you made me do" argument was intellectually and morally bankrupt then and now. Looting shops is the opportunists that always pop up in a riot, no belief just help themselves. If it was only a few hundred it would not matter they will be in prison soon but in places like Aldershot and Rotherham the target was quite direct it was asylum hotels that people have been saying they do not want for four years now, they have not been listened to and it is patently obvious Labour will do little to stem the flow and pop up hotels with unknown guests will appear everywhere irrespective of the wishes of the locals. Labour are moving with their inbuilt authoritarianism that comes with the left. Brexit was a case in point, every legal and Constitutional means was tried to stop Brexit and eventually it came about in a half hearted way that leaves wide open the return door that Starmer has his eye on. For many people the country is being destroyed before their very eyes and what happens when people perceive that? They do not always just roll over |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 14:51:57 GMT
The rioting is a result of the rioters choosing to riot. People attacking the police or looting shops have nothing to do with the Westminster bubble. The people have been listened to, we just had an election and Labour won. We shouldn't be allowing a few hundred thugs bully us into implementing a losing manifesto. Remind me what the 48% who voted Remain were told when they complained that they weren't being listened to. As I said before all this legitimate concerns talk is reminding me more and more of the kind of victim blaming nonsense coming from some on the left after 7/7. The "look what you made me do" argument was intellectually and morally bankrupt then and now. Looting shops is the opportunists that always pop up in a riot, no belief just help themselves. If it was only a few hundred it would not matter they will be in prison soon but in places like Aldershot and Rotherham the target was quite direct it was asylum hotels that people have been saying they do not want for four years now, they have not been listened to and it is patently obvious Labour will do little to stem the flow and pop up hotels with unknown guests will appear everywhere irrespective of the wishes of the locals. Labour are moving with their inbuilt authoritarianism that comes with the left. Brexit was a case in point, every legal and Constitutional means was tried to stop Brexit and eventually it came about in a half hearted way that leaves wide open the return door that Starmer has his eye on. For many people the country is being destroyed before their very eyes and what happens when people perceive that? They do not always just roll over I repeat Labour won the election, remind me again what was said to the 48% who voted Remain when they complained that they weren't being listened to. Take your own advice. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 5, 2024 15:06:20 GMT
Looting shops is the opportunists that always pop up in a riot, no belief just help themselves. If it was only a few hundred it would not matter they will be in prison soon but in places like Aldershot and Rotherham the target was quite direct it was asylum hotels that people have been saying they do not want for four years now, they have not been listened to and it is patently obvious Labour will do little to stem the flow and pop up hotels with unknown guests will appear everywhere irrespective of the wishes of the locals. Labour are moving with their inbuilt authoritarianism that comes with the left. Brexit was a case in point, every legal and Constitutional means was tried to stop Brexit and eventually it came about in a half hearted way that leaves wide open the return door that Starmer has his eye on. For many people the country is being destroyed before their very eyes and what happens when people perceive that? They do not always just roll over I repeat Labour won the election, remind me again what was said to the 48% who voted Remain when they complained that they weren't being listened to. Take your own advice. Well you might have an argument if the percentages were anywhere near that of the referendum but they aren’t so you don’t. Starmer was elected on a minority vote you can argue till you’re blue in the face but that’s a fact,probably unpalatable to you but a fact nonetheless. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 15:15:36 GMT
Looting shops is the opportunists that always pop up in a riot, no belief just help themselves. If it was only a few hundred it would not matter they will be in prison soon but in places like Aldershot and Rotherham the target was quite direct it was asylum hotels that people have been saying they do not want for four years now, they have not been listened to and it is patently obvious Labour will do little to stem the flow and pop up hotels with unknown guests will appear everywhere irrespective of the wishes of the locals. Labour are moving with their inbuilt authoritarianism that comes with the left. Brexit was a case in point, every legal and Constitutional means was tried to stop Brexit and eventually it came about in a half hearted way that leaves wide open the return door that Starmer has his eye on. For many people the country is being destroyed before their very eyes and what happens when people perceive that? They do not always just roll over I repeat Labour won the election, remind me again what was said to the 48% who voted Remain when they complained that they weren't being listened to. Take your own advice. Labour won the election with a vote that was nowhere near 52%. Recognising that fact would be a good starting point for them. I recall all the antics post referendum whereby the campaign continued. People did not vote to be poorer (well yes they may have done), Brexiteers have stolen the futures of our youngsters (changed them yes but every government does that). It was a yes no question in or out deal or no deal and no deal won. A middle way is not a way at all it is EU lite. In the general election every party had an immigration policy and every party had a small boats policy. The first month under Labour saw the policies enacted to dispense with Rwanda and to deal with the 100,000 in Limbo, no progress was made on the flagship, 'smash the gangs' and the channel was awash with small boats cheering Starmer and Labour. The clear perception is that despite having polices to deal with both legal and illegal migration Labour are intent on carrying on in the same old way against the clear wishes of the majority of the electorate and against their own stated policies. |
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