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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 2, 2024 20:50:04 GMT
How is it an attempt to cloud the issue? He does in fact come from Wales. All The Best You have no imagination. Calling someone as coming from Wales for most people would indicate what they looked like. The police knew that. Because everyone in Scotland looks like they're on the front of a porridge oats box. 🙃🫠 |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 2, 2024 21:07:33 GMT
You have no imagination. Calling someone as coming from Wales for most people would indicate what they looked like. The police knew that. Because everyone in Scotland looks like they're on the front of a porridge oats box. 🙃🫠 A higher percentage did before multiculturalism. I remember when most people in East London were white . Now most are not . Good thing? You tell me. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 2, 2024 21:09:06 GMT
The name was on the internet long before the Judge formally identified the guy - I saw it over 24 hours earlier. Yup. But there were other names bandied about before the correct one was made public. Those were the people the Judge was forced to act to protect. All The Best Well that was the decision of the government. They were acting to 'manage' the flow of information about the killer - hence they didn't want his name or ethnicity released. It was a fools errand as a vacuum leaves it open to conspiracy theories and fake news - the facts are going to come out eventually - there are no secrets now, so the correct information should have been published from the start. Hopefully when the next attack happens the authorities will have learned from this one. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Aug 2, 2024 21:13:29 GMT
sandypine
Exactly. I immediately started wondering what Max Boyce's grandson might look like.
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Post by Hutchyns on Aug 2, 2024 21:19:06 GMT
Considering it's early days NO self respecting police force would confirm that already. Having said that .... self respecting and police force .... cough cough That early the Police would leave themselves a get out clause. I do think the claims were slightly less categorical, and the actual words used were 'No known links to Islam'. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 2, 2024 22:01:11 GMT
How is it an attempt to cloud the issue? He does in fact come from Wales. All The Best You have no imagination. Calling someone as coming from Wales for most people would indicate what they looked like. The police knew that. So what does someone born in Wales look like? I don't think any reasonable person would think where you were born determines what you look like, not even close. Actually, there is one group of people for whom where someone is from should determine what they look like: racists. Have you ever read history? For example: approximately 500 Syrian archers (originally from Hama) were stationed in the North of England at Housesteads on Hadrian's Wall during Roman times. Like most Auxilliaries they are likely to have settled wherever their last posting was; such settled Auxiliaries often formed the first wave of inhabitants when Rome created one of its new Coloniae (of which four are confirmed in Britain: York, Colchester, Gloucester and Lincoln; all will have seen a significant proportion of non-native inhabitants). That is a significant Syrian influence in the gene-pool, from almost 2,000 years ago. There are almost certainly people of Syrian descent who who can trace their heritage in this country further back than any of my ancestors (almost all of whom were Viking, Saxon and Frankish settlers in East Anglia), and depending on where you hail from probably even your ancestors too. There's a man called Barates from Palmyra (modern Syria), who travelled to Britain as a merchant, bought a Catuvellauni (southern Britain) slave called Regina; he later freed Regina and married her, they had kids. Barates lived to be 68 years old and was buried at Corbridge, near Newcastle. That's another Syrian influence in the gene-pool. There's a Roman Fort overlooking the mouth of the Tyne called Arbeia (trans. "place of the Arabs"), it hosted "boatmen of the Tigris" who helped the Romans police the North Sea shipping routes. There's even a temple of Astarta (Ishtar) a Semitic Goddess, her shrine is next to shrines to gods worshipped by Spanish soldiers. Likewise there's British Born Titus Quintius Petrullus, served as Centurion in Legio III Cyrenaica and died and was buried in Bostra, in Syria. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 2, 2024 22:04:10 GMT
Yup. But there were other names bandied about before the correct one was made public. Those were the people the Judge was forced to act to protect. All The Best Well that was the decision of the government. They were acting to 'manage' the flow of information about the killer - hence they didn't want his name or ethnicity released. It was a fools errand as a vacuum leaves it open to conspiracy theories and fake news - the facts are going to come out eventually - there are no secrets now, so the correct information should have been published from the start. Hopefully when the next attack happens the authorities will have learned from this one. No, they were trying to protect his identity as a minor, as required by the law, except in the most extenuating circumstances. Question: had the perpetrator been white would you, or anyone else in this thread, cared that the law wanted to protect his identity? I don't think you would. All The Best |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 2, 2024 22:33:03 GMT
Well that was the decision of the government. They were acting to 'manage' the flow of information about the killer - hence they didn't want his name or ethnicity released. It was a fools errand as a vacuum leaves it open to conspiracy theories and fake news - the facts are going to come out eventually - there are no secrets now, so the correct information should have been published from the start. Hopefully when the next attack happens the authorities will have learned from this one. No, they were trying to protect his identity as a minor, as required by the law, except in the most extenuating circumstances. Question: had the perpetrator been white would you, or anyone else in this thread, cared that the law wanted to protect his identity? I don't think you would. All The Best I would the circumstances were obviously calling for it, with so much rumourmongering going on. For all the political wrangling which some enjoy of course, and I think it added to the drama. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 2, 2024 22:38:15 GMT
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Post by sheepy on Aug 2, 2024 22:40:35 GMT
Some Einstein will eventually work out that the problems in British society are running deep.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 3, 2024 6:41:03 GMT
Well that was the decision of the government. They were acting to 'manage' the flow of information about the killer - hence they didn't want his name or ethnicity released. It was a fools errand as a vacuum leaves it open to conspiracy theories and fake news - the facts are going to come out eventually - there are no secrets now, so the correct information should have been published from the start. Hopefully when the next attack happens the authorities will have learned from this one. No, they were trying to protect his identity as a minor, as required by the law, except in the most extenuating circumstances. Question: had the perpetrator been white would you, or anyone else in this thread, cared that the law wanted to protect his identity? I don't think you would. All The Best It was well reported at the time that they Police and Home Office were keen to manage the flow of information so as not to inflame tensions - that ended up biting them in the arse. Publishing facts is what stops speculation - not hoping for the best. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 3, 2024 7:23:18 GMT
You have no imagination. Calling someone as coming from Wales for most people would indicate what they looked like. The police knew that. Because everyone in Scotland looks like they're on the front of a porridge oats box. 🙃🫠 Well let us say he was born in Wales of Rwandan parents which was the information known but the only part released was born in Wales. Basically the colour is not important in terms of crime but it is important in terms of social cohesion. So the the wider public were effectively misdirected to come to a specific conclusion. Most people in Scotland have the same colouring as the porridge oats chap that is just a fact and if someone is said to be from Scotland you do not immediately think of the Dark Continent. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 3, 2024 7:33:21 GMT
You have no imagination. Calling someone as coming from Wales for most people would indicate what they looked like. The police knew that. So what does someone born in Wales look like? I don't think any reasonable person would think where you were born determines what you look like, not even close. Actually, there is one group of people for whom where someone is from should determine what they look like: racists. Have you ever read history? For example: approximately 500 Syrian archers (originally from Hama) were stationed in the North of England at Housesteads on Hadrian's Wall during Roman times. Like most Auxilliaries they are likely to have settled wherever their last posting was; such settled Auxiliaries often formed the first wave of inhabitants when Rome created one of its new Coloniae (of which four are confirmed in Britain: York, Colchester, Gloucester and Lincoln; all will have seen a significant proportion of non-native inhabitants). That is a significant Syrian influence in the gene-pool, from almost 2,000 years ago. There are almost certainly people of Syrian descent who who can trace their heritage in this country further back than any of my ancestors (almost all of whom were Viking, Saxon and Frankish settlers in East Anglia), and depending on where you hail from probably even your ancestors too. There's a man called Barates from Palmyra (modern Syria), who travelled to Britain as a merchant, bought a Catuvellauni (southern Britain) slave called Regina; he later freed Regina and married her, they had kids. Barates lived to be 68 years old and was buried at Corbridge, near Newcastle. That's another Syrian influence in the gene-pool. There's a Roman Fort overlooking the mouth of the Tyne called Arbeia (trans. "place of the Arabs"), it hosted "boatmen of the Tigris" who helped the Romans police the North Sea shipping routes. There's even a temple of Astarta (Ishtar) a Semitic Goddess, her shrine is next to shrines to gods worshipped by Spanish soldiers. Likewise there's British Born Titus Quintius Petrullus, served as Centurion in Legio III Cyrenaica and died and was buried in Bostra, in Syria. All The Best The Scottish heritage link to Syria is oft cited and well known but difficult to pinpoint. There is the existence of curly hair and darker skin colouring in some border areas and I had a friend who was exactly that. The point as always is that it was known exactly what the attacker looked like and every effort was made to direct the country to a different conclusion. The suspicion was immediately raised because if the attacker had been a white youth that would have been the first information out there to stop speculation. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 8:23:40 GMT
No, they were trying to protect his identity as a minor, as required by the law, except in the most extenuating circumstances. Question: had the perpetrator been white would you, or anyone else in this thread, cared that the law wanted to protect his identity? I don't think you would. All The Best It was well reported at the time that they Police and Home Office were keen to manage the flow of information so as not to inflame tensions - that ended up biting them in the arse. Publishing facts is what stops speculation - not hoping for the best. Question: had the perpetrator been white would you, or anyone else in this thread, cared that the law wanted to protect his identity? I don't think you would. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 8:24:31 GMT
So what does someone born in Wales look like? I don't think any reasonable person would think where you were born determines what you look like, not even close. Actually, there is one group of people for whom where someone is from should determine what they look like: racists. Have you ever read history? For example: approximately 500 Syrian archers (originally from Hama) were stationed in the North of England at Housesteads on Hadrian's Wall during Roman times. Like most Auxilliaries they are likely to have settled wherever their last posting was; such settled Auxiliaries often formed the first wave of inhabitants when Rome created one of its new Coloniae (of which four are confirmed in Britain: York, Colchester, Gloucester and Lincoln; all will have seen a significant proportion of non-native inhabitants). That is a significant Syrian influence in the gene-pool, from almost 2,000 years ago. There are almost certainly people of Syrian descent who who can trace their heritage in this country further back than any of my ancestors (almost all of whom were Viking, Saxon and Frankish settlers in East Anglia), and depending on where you hail from probably even your ancestors too. There's a man called Barates from Palmyra (modern Syria), who travelled to Britain as a merchant, bought a Catuvellauni (southern Britain) slave called Regina; he later freed Regina and married her, they had kids. Barates lived to be 68 years old and was buried at Corbridge, near Newcastle. That's another Syrian influence in the gene-pool. There's a Roman Fort overlooking the mouth of the Tyne called Arbeia (trans. "place of the Arabs"), it hosted "boatmen of the Tigris" who helped the Romans police the North Sea shipping routes. There's even a temple of Astarta (Ishtar) a Semitic Goddess, her shrine is next to shrines to gods worshipped by Spanish soldiers. Likewise there's British Born Titus Quintius Petrullus, served as Centurion in Legio III Cyrenaica and died and was buried in Bostra, in Syria. All The Best The Scottish heritage link to Syria is oft cited and well known but difficult to pinpoint. There is the existence of curly hair and darker skin colouring in some border areas and I had a friend who was exactly that. The point as always is that it was known exactly what the attacker looked like and every effort was made to direct the country to a different conclusion. The suspicion was immediately raised because if the attacker had been a white youth that would have been the first information out there to stop speculation. I ask again: So what does someone born in Wales look like? Re the emboldened bit above: no effort was made to hide anything, it was reported he was born in Wales, he WAS born in Wales. All The Best |
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