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Post by patman post on Aug 1, 2024 13:46:17 GMT
But still no broken promises — however galling that must be… And the biggest laugh of all is, if a Tory chancellor had just scrapped OAP's winter fuel payments, you would be at the vanguard of those shouting about nasty Tories killing pensioners. LOL it's a funny old game. You obviously haven't noticed the rider that any pensioners receiving additional benefits will continue to receive the winter fuel allowance.
Seems a fairer way of distributing heating allowance where it's needed...
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Post by Bentley on Aug 1, 2024 14:01:51 GMT
Is this government intending to means test child benefit?
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 1, 2024 14:39:20 GMT
And the biggest laugh of all is, if a Tory chancellor had just scrapped OAP's winter fuel payments, you would be at the vanguard of those shouting about nasty Tories killing pensioners. LOL it's a funny old game. You obviously haven't noticed the rider that any pensioners receiving additional benefits will continue to receive the winter fuel allowance.
Seems a fairer way of distributing heating allowance where it's needed...
A comment in the lefty press on the ''generosity'' of the Chancellor in restricting winter fuel allowance to where it's ''really needed'' Have a tiny pension which takes your weekly income to the heady heights of £219 a week (£11388 pa) and you can freeze or starve according to Reeves - your choice I’m sure the Guardian readers who have had their winter fuel allowance cut will be really thrilled. Especially when they read that any pensioner who has an income of above £218.15 a week – the cut-off point for pension credit eligibility – is both a “wealthier” one and an “affluent” one
www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/31/many-pensioners-cant-afford-to-lose-the-winter-fuel-allowance#:~:text=I'm%20sure%20the%20Guardian,and%20an%20%E2%80%9Caffluent%E2%80%9D%20one. |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 1, 2024 14:41:35 GMT
Is this government intending to means test child benefit? Doubt it - they are even going to feed primary schoolkids free breakfast so that the parents don't have to bother any more and can get more time in bed |
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Post by patman post on Aug 1, 2024 15:04:53 GMT
You obviously haven't noticed the rider that any pensioners receiving additional benefits will continue to receive the winter fuel allowance.
Seems a fairer way of distributing heating allowance where it's needed...
A comment in the lefty press on the ''generosity'' of the Chancellor in restricting winter fuel allowance to where it's ''really needed'' Have a tiny pension which takes your weekly income to the heady heights of £219 a week (£11388 pa) and you can freeze or starve according to Reeves - your choice I’m sure the Guardian readers who have had their winter fuel allowance cut will be really thrilled. Especially when they read that any pensioner who has an income of above £218.15 a week – the cut-off point for pension credit eligibility – is both a “wealthier” one and an “affluent” one
www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/31/many-pensioners-cant-afford-to-lose-the-winter-fuel-allowance#:~:text=I'm%20sure%20the%20Guardian,and%20an%20%E2%80%9Caffluent%E2%80%9D%20one.From your link: a universal rather than a targeted payment – was adopted because of the low take-up of pension credits and other benefits by many of those at risk; this take-up failure stands at 800,000 non-applicants today.
Perhaps ensuring those you care about apply for pension credits and other benefits would be a start. Such costs as housing (rent, mortgage, maintenance, etc), carer, disability can all be taken into account. Age UK runs an online calculator may help...
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 1, 2024 15:32:35 GMT
A comment in the lefty press on the ''generosity'' of the Chancellor in restricting winter fuel allowance to where it's ''really needed'' Have a tiny pension which takes your weekly income to the heady heights of £219 a week (£11388 pa) and you can freeze or starve according to Reeves - your choice I’m sure the Guardian readers who have had their winter fuel allowance cut will be really thrilled. Especially when they read that any pensioner who has an income of above £218.15 a week – the cut-off point for pension credit eligibility – is both a “wealthier” one and an “affluent” one
www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/31/many-pensioners-cant-afford-to-lose-the-winter-fuel-allowance#:~:text=I'm%20sure%20the%20Guardian,and%20an%20%E2%80%9Caffluent%E2%80%9D%20one.From your link: a universal rather than a targeted payment – was adopted because of the low take-up of pension credits and other benefits by many of those at risk; this take-up failure stands at 800,000 non-applicants today.
Perhaps ensuring those you care about apply for pension credits and other benefits would be a start. Such costs as housing (rent, mortgage, maintenance, etc), carer, disability can all be taken into account. Age UK runs an online calculator may help...
You seriously believe that anyone on more than £218.15 a week(the max for pension credit) is affluent and rolling in it ? I despair of the arrogance of the green eyed monsters of lefty land |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 1, 2024 15:36:40 GMT
From your link: a universal rather than a targeted payment – was adopted because of the low take-up of pension credits and other benefits by many of those at risk; this take-up failure stands at 800,000 non-applicants today.
Perhaps ensuring those you care about apply for pension credits and other benefits would be a start. Such costs as housing (rent, mortgage, maintenance, etc), carer, disability can all be taken into account. Age UK runs an online calculator may help...
You seriously believe that anyone on more than £218.15 a week(the max for pension credit) is affluent and rolling in it ? I despair of the arrogance of the green eyed monsters of lefty land It’s pointless trying . Not while lefties are getting a chubby at the thought of snatching some money from pensioners . |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 1, 2024 16:57:13 GMT
A comment in the lefty press on the ''generosity'' of the Chancellor in restricting winter fuel allowance to where it's ''really needed'' Have a tiny pension which takes your weekly income to the heady heights of £219 a week (£11388 pa) and you can freeze or starve according to Reeves - your choice I’m sure the Guardian readers who have had their winter fuel allowance cut will be really thrilled. Especially when they read that any pensioner who has an income of above £218.15 a week – the cut-off point for pension credit eligibility – is both a “wealthier” one and an “affluent” one
www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/31/many-pensioners-cant-afford-to-lose-the-winter-fuel-allowance#:~:text=I'm%20sure%20the%20Guardian,and%20an%20%E2%80%9Caffluent%E2%80%9D%20one.From your link: a universal rather than a targeted payment – was adopted because of the low take-up of pension credits and other benefits by many of those at risk; this take-up failure stands at 800,000 non-applicants today.
Perhaps ensuring those you care about apply for pension credits and other benefits would be a start. Such costs as housing (rent, mortgage, maintenance, etc), carer, disability can all be taken into account. Age UK runs an online calculator may help...
If you ensured that all those eligible applied and were in receipt then this policy would cost Ms Reeves money rather than save it. 3 guesses on what is going to happen... |
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Post by patman post on Aug 1, 2024 19:31:30 GMT
From your link: a universal rather than a targeted payment – was adopted because of the low take-up of pension credits and other benefits by many of those at risk; this take-up failure stands at 800,000 non-applicants today.
Perhaps ensuring those you care about apply for pension credits and other benefits would be a start. Such costs as housing (rent, mortgage, maintenance, etc), carer, disability can all be taken into account. Age UK runs an online calculator may help...
If you ensured that all those eligible applied and were in receipt then this policy would cost Ms Reeves money rather than save it. 3 guesses on what is going to happen... My guess is that there’ll be plenty of bleating from activists who are unaffected and unlikely to help those who are — that is if they can take time off from commenting on those they consider undeserving, but who still visit food banks… |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 1, 2024 19:59:11 GMT
If you ensured that all those eligible applied and were in receipt then this policy would cost Ms Reeves money rather than save it. 3 guesses on what is going to happen... My guess is that there’ll be plenty of bleating from activists who are unaffected and unlikely to help those who are — that is if they can take time off from commenting on those they consider undeserving, but who still visit food banks… Translation..lefties like you think people sticking for poor pensioners are bleating . The one good thing about all of this is that it exposes lefties for the vindictive bags of shit that they are . |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 1, 2024 21:33:48 GMT
If you ensured that all those eligible applied and were in receipt then this policy would cost Ms Reeves money rather than save it. 3 guesses on what is going to happen... My guess is that there’ll be plenty of bleating from activists who are unaffected and unlikely to help those who are — that is if they can take time off from commenting on those they consider undeserving, but who still visit food banks… Well that is a very strange post. The people most against means testing the heating allowance up until 3 weeks ago were the Labour Party. I think that Labour activists will certainly take time off from commentating - but not for the reasons you suppose.. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 2, 2024 20:13:32 GMT
Oh dear ! “ Rachel Reeves has been urged to consider a radical driving tax on electric vehicles (EVs) as a £9bn black hole looms from the loss of fuel duty. PwC has suggested taxing EVs based on how far they drive to prevent the decline in petrol and diesel cars on the road blowing a hole in public finances. The Government risks losing out on £9bn of fuel tax revenues by 2030, according to forecasts from PwC, when one in four vehicles on the road is expected to be electric. EVs do not incur fuel duty since they are fuelled by electricity. Combustion engine cars are in decline as a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel-powered cars looms. Labour has promised to bring forward the ban to 2030, a policy that was relaxed by the Conservative Party.” www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/02/reeves-urged-consider-pay-per-mile-road-tax-9bn-fuel-duty/ |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 2, 2024 21:19:43 GMT
Road pricing is inevitable - personally I think it's the fairest way. Of course it's less progressive than the current system and the poor will pay the same as the millionaire for travelling down the same road - so you can understand why some on the left are against it.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 2, 2024 21:33:23 GMT
Road pricing is inevitable - personally I think it's the fairest way. Of course it's less progressive than the current system and the poor will pay the same as the millionaire for travelling down the same road - so you can understand why some on the left are against it. It might be inevitable but rolling this out now smacks of desperation to me . |
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Post by bancroft on Aug 3, 2024 18:28:44 GMT
Road pricing is inevitable - personally I think it's the fairest way. Of course it's less progressive than the current system and the poor will pay the same as the millionaire for travelling down the same road - so you can understand why some on the left are against it. it is more likely under Labour yet will be a seminal moment as all drivers pay vehicle tax which is why it is generally a no-go. It will haunt them at elections if they push this through without public support. |
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