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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 30, 2022 12:30:55 GMT
dappy wants to derail his own thread with dull and endless yarns about his family history as if they held the key to Britain's demographic future. He also tellsus he doesn't believe in the power of compounding. Is that just for people dappy or does it hold for money too? He'll also no doubt insist also that this chart is false and only useful for spreading fear and despondency.  PS The chart was created 20 years ago - the curve is still continuing now as it was then. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 30, 2022 13:53:34 GMT
I see Nige has had his knuckles rapped by Auntie for claiming that whites are now a minority in London, Birmingham and Manchester. www.bbc.com/news/63806518If he'd said White British instead of White then he would have been correct.  |
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Post by dappy on Nov 30, 2022 13:55:19 GMT
Dan
The example of my children, whiie you may find it "dull", demonstrates pretty clear the practical nonsensicality of your obsession with race, ethnicity and ancestry. It makes no difference whatsoever to the future wellbeing of the country whether the fact of their German grandparent means they should be categorised as "white British" or "white non British" and whether any future children they have are with partners whose grandparents were all born in Britain or whether one or more was born in Australia or Jamaica or India. What matters is whether those children are bought up to be decent people with good values. Our problem in this country is not ancestry and race but in terms of a falling birth rate being particularly prevalent in better educated young people risking a gradual "dumbing down" of our people.
If you believe that compounding statistics is valid then you must by definition believe that by 2160 there will be more non white British people living in this country alone than currently existing the entire world. Mathematics dictate that that is so. Is that really what you believe or does compounding only work for as long as it gives you the answer you want to achieve?
Feck knows what you think your graph is supposed to be telling us.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 30, 2022 13:55:49 GMT
I've yet to see anything in the legacy media about the ongoing decline in the White British population.
It's almost as if they don't want us to know.
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Post by dappy on Nov 30, 2022 14:00:38 GMT
Apparently my children are not white British by Dan's definition, Fairsociety. Are you suggesting that if they have children with someone who doesn't happen to have a German grandparent, they are contributing to the UK becoming a shithole. What if those children came instead with an Australian or even an Asian partner. Instant UK shithousery? Dan are you seriously going all Little Tommy Grasshopper and using compounding to instill fear. You are bright enough to know that this is nonsense. OK lets play. By my calculations the fact that "non white Britishness" is apparently increasing by 4.6% per year means it is inevitable that by 2160 there will be more non white British people resident on this rock than currently exist in all the world at which point their combined weight will cause our rock to sink below the waves in turn causing a tsunami that will wipe out all life on earth, including France although this shouldn't matter as people like you adding to the "non French white" poulation has caused all sensible Frenchmen to escape overseas to an all French white enclave. All this surely is compelling proof that Enoch Powell was right all along. Why are you putting words in to my mouth?
I was talking about multicultural religions, ours being of many multicultural ethnics and we have gone beyond the call of duty catering for other religions and faiths, haven't you noticed any Synagogues, or Mosques and so on.
The UK has always predominantly being of Christian faith and worship, why do you think we hardly see any more nativity plays in schools, because it offends other faiths.
We have systematically lost our Identity as a religious nation in favour of multiculturalism, it doesn't matter if you believe in Christianity or not, you do not renounce it, while other faiths in this country openly follow and worship their own, what is happening to us?
I believe every country in the world should have a faith and religion of their own, respect it like you should respect others, and while you are in that country as a host you must respect it, exactly like Dubai demand, and if you don't want to follow their rules of religion and faith, then do not go there, plain and simple.
I don't think I was putting words in your mouth. Not the way I play the game. While I absolutely respect those who have a religion (whether Christian or other), I have to say I don't. Nothing to do with multi-culturalism or anything else, just that I dont feel I need religion in my life. It doesnt change my morals or ethos but this year I ticked the no religion box rather than the Christian box. I suspect many others have done the same. Can you explain why you think that matters? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 30, 2022 14:18:26 GMT
So dappy, given that the 'Other' population of England and Wales has been growing at the rate of 4.6% for over twenty years now, what do you think is going to happen that will change that trend?
Btw what chart shows is that if restraints on population growth are removed or significantly weakened then what happens is that growth becomes geometric. Until that is something happens to re-introduce the restraints, which may even result in a population collapse, as frequently happens in the animal world when population outstrips resources. Is that the sort of future you see in store for the UK?.
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Post by dappy on Nov 30, 2022 14:22:21 GMT
Oh no doubt nothing at all Dan.
Which is why basic mathematics proves that by 2160 more non British white people will be living here than currently live anywhere in the world.
Surely you see that as an inevitability?
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 30, 2022 14:24:47 GMT
Why are you putting words in to my mouth?
I was talking about multicultural religions, ours being of many multicultural ethnics and we have gone beyond the call of duty catering for other religions and faiths, haven't you noticed any Synagogues, or Mosques and so on.
The UK has always predominantly being of Christian faith and worship, why do you think we hardly see any more nativity plays in schools, because it offends other faiths.
We have systematically lost our Identity as a religious nation in favour of multiculturalism, it doesn't matter if you believe in Christianity or not, you do not renounce it, while other faiths in this country openly follow and worship their own, what is happening to us?
I believe every country in the world should have a faith and religion of their own, respect it like you should respect others, and while you are in that country as a host you must respect it, exactly like Dubai demand, and if you don't want to follow their rules of religion and faith, then do not go there, plain and simple.
I don't think I was putting words in your mouth. Not the way I play the game. While I absolutely respect those who have a religion (whether Christian or other), I have to say I don't. Nothing to do with multi-culturalism or anything else, just that I dont feel I need religion in my life. It doesnt change my morals or ethos but this year I ticked the no religion box rather than the Christian box. I suspect many others have done the same. Can you explain why you think that matters? It matters if you feel browbeaten in to ticking the 'no religion' box. (not meaning you)
A lot of practicing Christians are starting to feel they are branded racists if they wear a Cross, even the church Christmas service that they hand out do not have the traditional nativity scene's or pictures of Jesus in a crib, whether you are religious or not people should not be made to feel uncomfortable or ashamed of their religion, and that is what is happening to Christianity, it is not happening in any other religion, most other religions are proud and would not go underground for fear of backlash, Christians have been told to take off their Cross in the work place, can you imagine the stink if you insulted any other religion.
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Post by dappy on Nov 30, 2022 14:45:51 GMT
It's hard to believe anyone was browbeaten into ticking a certain box on an anonymous form. I am not aware of anyone being called racist for wearing a cross - that would be crazy. My guess would be that a higher proportion of black people would regard themselves as Christian than white? Golden rule for everyone should be to respect other people's beliefs are values - whether those beliefs are Christian, muslim, Hindu, Atheist or (like me) not really interested. I am aware of a couple of cases that recently went to ECHR about crosses - the fundamental judgement is that wearing a cross at work is a legitimate way of expressing your faith and should be allowed at work unless there was a compelling reason not to. Once case found in favour of the employee against an employer who wanted to enforce a uniform policy, the other in favour of an employer who identified legitimate health and safety issues in that specific workplace. Cases reported here www.masonbullock.co.uk/cross-at-work/. Were these the cases you were thinking of? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 30, 2022 14:47:46 GMT
Oh no doubt nothing at all Dan. Which is why basic mathematics proves that by 2160 more non British white people will be living here than currently live anywhere in the world. Surely you see that as an inevitability? Of course not, your 'scenario' is simply daft. The classical restraints on growth will materialise long before then and the era of weak restraints on growth will be over.
But it's not 2160 that appears on the radar. At current (20-year) rates of growth the Other population will overtake the White British long before then. Did you work it out yet?
Anyway, my question to you still remains unanswered: What do you believe will happen to restrain UK population growth in time to avert that catastrophe?
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 30, 2022 14:48:18 GMT
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Post by dappy on Nov 30, 2022 15:01:27 GMT
They were the two cases I referred you too Fairsociety. Neither cross ban was about religion per se - one was about maintaining uniform standards and the other about health and safety. Struggling to understand your point?
Meanwhile I see Dan is happy to extrapolate statistics by compounding for just precisely long enough to get the scary outcome he wants but stop there as otherwise the extrapolation becomes silly. Bless.
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 30, 2022 15:04:38 GMT
They were the two cases I referred you too Fairsociety. Neither cross ban was about religion per se - one was about maintaining uniform standards and the other about health and safety. Struggling to understand your point? Meanwhile I see Dan is happy to extrapolate statistics by compounding for just precisely long enough to get the scary outcome he wants but stop there as otherwise the extrapolation becomes silly. Bless. If it was another religion other than Christianity every one involved would be fired, there would be BIG compo claims going in for injury to feeling, a GoFundMe page set up, Christianity is the only religion you can insult without fear of reprisals, and this in our own country. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 30, 2022 15:28:31 GMT
Well no that isnt the case.
In one case the ECHR ruled in favour of the employee against the employer. The employer argued that they were enforcing a clear uniform policy for good commercial reasons. That policy banned all jewellery and that included crosses. They weren't seeking to "insult religion" merely to maintain their corporate brand. The court ruled that in this case the individuals religious rights outweighed the employers commercial rights and hence the employee won the case. I imagine she was compensated as a result.
In the other case, the employee wanted to wear a cross but the employer said no on Health and safety grounds - she worked with elderly people with dementia - read the link I gave you. The court held that in this case H+S was more important than religious rights. Again "insulting religion" was not related to the case - just balancing advantages and risks.
By the way the UK is no more Christian's own country than Atheists or Muslims or Hindu's or nothings. Remember what you said about respecting other's views equally - that applies both ways.
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 30, 2022 15:33:44 GMT
Well no that isnt the case. In one case the ECHR ruled in favour of the employee against the employer. The employer argued that they were enforcing a clear uniform policy for good commercial reasons. That policy banned all jewellery and that included crosses. They weren't seeking to "insult religion" merely to maintain their corporate brand. The court ruled that in this case the individuals religious rights outweighed the employers commercial rights and hence the employee won the case. I imagine she was compensated as a result. In the other case, the employee wanted to wear a cross but the employer said know on Health and safety grounds - she worked with elderly people with dementia - read the link I gave you. The court held that in this case H+S was more important than religious rights. Again "insulting religion" was not related to the case - just balancing advantages and risks. By the way the UK is no more Christian's own country than Atheists or Muslims or Hindu's or nothings. Remember what you said about respecting other's views equally - that applies both ways. Never in my wildest dreams would I ask for the removal of a Hijab in the work place, and if I did I will guarantee you I'd be fired on the spot.
Asking someone to remove a religious item because you might offend another religion is totally outrageous, and that is what I mean by a mutual respect of others religions and cultures, you do not remove a Cross because it 'might' offend Muslims, Hindus, or any other religion, that is my point.
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