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Post by Totheleft on Jul 7, 2024 21:06:52 GMT
Farage is pushing for what he calls a Fairer voting System
If you think about it at the moment you have 20 independent MP in HOC.
And i think a few have Muslim intrest like Galloway.
Just think how Many would be reparcented
Under a PR system .
I know some of you would say thats total Democracy .
But are you willing to lose Democracy at any price even if it Eventually ment a Muslim Controlled HOC
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Post by jeg er on Jul 7, 2024 21:09:31 GMT
we dont have 20 independents, we have 6, and 4 of them were the pro gaza candidates
galloway, and no one else from his party, got in. and galloway wasnt an independent
to say PR would create a muslim controlled parliament is a fantasy
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2024 21:32:22 GMT
Farage is pushing for what he calls a Fairer voting System If you think about it at the moment you have 20 independent MP in HOC. And i think a few have Muslim intrest like Galloway. Just think how Many would be reparcented Under a PR system . I know some of you would say thats total Democracy . But are you willing to lose Democracy at any price even if it Eventually ment a Muslim Controlled HOCMuslims make up about 7% of the population - it will be a while before they control anything. If the Muslims want sectarian politics then fine, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to take any notice of them. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 7, 2024 21:44:50 GMT
we dont have 20 independents, we have 6, and 4 of them were the pro gaza candidates galloway, and no one else from his party, got in to say PR would create a muslim controlled parliament is a fantasy Fantasy? Read this very good Accessment of the Current situation. And dont forget the birth rate of muslims And growth in general Another aspect of the 2024 election is that party politics has become ever more representative of Britain’s diversity. With 89 MPs from ethnic minority backgrounds (66 of them Labour) the Commons is roughly reflective of the population. Several Muslim MPs represent constituencies with only small Muslim communities, such as the newly elected Labour MP Sadik Al-Hassan in North Somerset and Conservative Nus Ghani in Sussex Weald. There seems to be no evidence that the faith of the individual candidate, as opposed to political stance, is important to the electorate (the same is true of Muslim voters who supported non-Muslims Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway, for instance). Despite the vote slump, Labour remains the predominant party of British Muslims, leading in overall vote share and representing 57 of the 64 constituencies with the largest Muslim communities. Most of Britain’s Muslims — and an even higher share of those in concentrated Muslim communities — have Labour MPs speaking for them at Westminster. Having those MPs in place gives Labour the opportunity to build bridges painstakingly at local level over this parliament P S im a resident of Rochdale |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 7, 2024 21:48:03 GMT
Farage is pushing for what he calls a Fairer voting System If you think about it at the moment you have 20 independent MP in HOC. And i think a few have Muslim intrest like Galloway. Just think how Many would be reparcented Under a PR system . I know some of you would say thats total Democracy . But are you willing to lose Democracy at any price even if it Eventually ment a Muslim Controlled HOCMuslims make up about 7% of the population - it will be a while before they control anything. If the Muslims want sectarian politics then fine, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to take any notice of them. How nany muslim mps in Hoc now including Labour,Conservative &lib dems . |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 7, 2024 21:50:55 GMT
Farage is pushing for what he calls a Fairer voting System If you think about it at the moment you have 20 independent MP in HOC. And i think a few have Muslim intrest like Galloway. Just think how Many would be reparcented Under a PR system . I know some of you would say thats total Democracy . But are you willing to lose Democracy at any price even if it Eventually ment a Muslim Controlled HOCMuslims make up about 7% of the population - it will be a while before they control anything. If the Muslims want sectarian politics then fine, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to take any notice of them. It was only a few short years ago they made up 4%. So it will have doubled in less than a generation, 2040 will see about 14% which is a very powerful lobby group. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 7, 2024 22:37:51 GMT
I've made my views known elsewhere on here
To cut it short, as far back as 2003/2005 when Labour lost Blaenau Gwent and its majority in the house over the insane policy that men with years of service to their community were to be chucked into the gutter because labour needed more women MP's, Keele University's Dept of Political Studies research into election turnouts, majorities and winners showed that the combination of first past the post systems and obviously corrupt antics at the boundary commission meant that in 550 of 650 seats it was almost inevitable that a voter with political views at odds with their sitting MP was wasting his or her time voting as the sitting MP's majority was so huge nothing would shift them.
It was of course well known from the days of David Steel's Liberals that 20% of the popular vote got you only five seats but no one gave a fuck when only two parties mattered. Last week the lowest turnout for god knows how many years bothered to vote, and while it is pretty obvious many of the no-shows were sending Rishi a message by not voting, you need to bear in mind that TWO of Reform's MP's are MP's because the voters did not want Kier Starmer's Labour party.
We cannot continue to permit parties to enjoy humungus majorities off the back of tiny voter turnouts.
If the electorate feels there is no place for their vote in the system, well let's be honest, when Starmer tells you you next month you can't take your dying child to the hospitalin your car because it's not your day to be allowed on the road, are you going to meekly let him kill them, or are you going to crash through the barriers, run down any lefty scum that try to stop you, and go back as a bladerunner to make sure nobody lese has to make that choice
So we need PR and proper PR not that mealy mouthed shit that redistributes seats among the top three as they have in wales We need a 5% popular vote across the country for the BNP to return 30 BNP MP's because believe me if it did, the tories would make fucking sure those voters voted for them not the BNP. If you doubt my word, bear in mind that ten minutes after Brons and Griffin took their MEP seats Phil Woolas the LABOUR Immigration Minister was saying illegals arriving at the EU's southern shores should be processed there with the ones that succeed being assimilated across the whole EU and the ones that do not getting thrown back.
And when have you ever heard a labour immigration fuckwit say THAT before or since ?
I say we need Full PR and to hell with what it does to the makeup of the house of commons and we need it NOW. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jul 7, 2024 22:48:33 GMT
I find it astonishing that the Right of British politics has generally always been opposed to proportional representation, but then suddenly they propose a move in favour of PR.
Sectarian politics has been a part of British politics for a very long time, Republicans versus Unionists, Nationalists versus Unionists, so a Muslim dimension with regards to Gaza is simply something new, and to be expected.
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Post by jeg er on Jul 8, 2024 5:42:12 GMT
we dont have 20 independents, we have 6, and 4 of them were the pro gaza candidates galloway, and no one else from his party, got in to say PR would create a muslim controlled parliament is a fantasy Fantasy? Read this very good Accessment of the Current situation. And dont forget the birth rate of muslims And growth in general Another aspect of the 2024 election is that party politics has become ever more representative of Britain’s diversity. With 89 MPs from ethnic minority backgrounds (66 of them Labour) the Commons is roughly reflective of the population. Several Muslim MPs represent constituencies with only small Muslim communities, such as the newly elected Labour MP Sadik Al-Hassan in North Somerset and Conservative Nus Ghani in Sussex Weald. There seems to be no evidence that the faith of the individual candidate, as opposed to political stance, is important to the electorate (the same is true of Muslim voters who supported non-Muslims Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway, for instance). Despite the vote slump, Labour remains the predominant party of British Muslims, leading in overall vote share and representing 57 of the 64 constituencies with the largest Muslim communities. Most of Britain’s Muslims — and an even higher share of those in concentrated Muslim communities — have Labour MPs speaking for them at Westminster. Having those MPs in place gives Labour the opportunity to build bridges painstakingly at local level over this parliament P S im a resident of Rochdale So not 20 independent MPs and no evidence that PR would wreck democracy with a Muslim take over, then |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 8, 2024 6:15:31 GMT
Fantasy? Read this very good Accessment of the Current situation. And dont forget the birth rate of muslims And growth in general Another aspect of the 2024 election is that party politics has become ever more representative of Britain’s diversity. With 89 MPs from ethnic minority backgrounds (66 of them Labour) the Commons is roughly reflective of the population. Several Muslim MPs represent constituencies with only small Muslim communities, such as the newly elected Labour MP Sadik Al-Hassan in North Somerset and Conservative Nus Ghani in Sussex Weald. There seems to be no evidence that the faith of the individual candidate, as opposed to political stance, is important to the electorate (the same is true of Muslim voters who supported non-Muslims Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway, for instance). Despite the vote slump, Labour remains the predominant party of British Muslims, leading in overall vote share and representing 57 of the 64 constituencies with the largest Muslim communities. Most of Britain’s Muslims — and an even higher share of those in concentrated Muslim communities — have Labour MPs speaking for them at Westminster. Having those MPs in place gives Labour the opportunity to build bridges painstakingly at local level over this parliament P S im a resident of Rochdale So not 20 independent MPs and no evidence that PR would wreck democracy with a Muslim take over, then No should of said 20% of the vote was for independent. Evidence p-r would wreck democracy with the muslim vote there plenty . |
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Post by jeg er on Jul 8, 2024 6:49:01 GMT
So not 20 independent MPs and no evidence that PR would wreck democracy with a Muslim take over, then No should of said 20% of the vote was for independent. Evidence p-r would wreck democracy with the muslim vote there plenty . which bit of the article you just sent tells us that a muslim vote would wreck democracy under PR? Where did you get 20% share of vote for the 6 independent candidates from? Remember, only 4 of them were standing as pro Gaza muslim candidates so how can just 4 candidates, or 5 if you include Jeremy Corbyn, from just 4 or 5 seats in the UK, equal 20% of UK wide vote share? Bear in mind that the vote share for Reform, who stood in most of the UK, was only 14%. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 8, 2024 7:00:13 GMT
Farage is pushing for what he calls a Fairer voting System If you think about it at the moment you have 20 independent MP in HOC. And i think a few have Muslim intrest like Galloway. Just think how Many would be reparcented Under a PR system . I know some of you would say thats total Democracy . But are you willing to lose Democracy at any price even if it Eventually ment a Muslim Controlled HOCMuslims make up about 7% of the population - it will be a while before they control anything. If the Muslims want sectarian politics then fine, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to take any notice of them. Very dangerous thinking, Pacifico. The percentage of muslims in London is 15% but when they vote as a bloc - and all of them vote - they can ensure that Sadiq Khan gets elected every 4 years. Also the number of muslims in the UK is roughly doubling every 10 years. If we don't do something about it they'll be controlling our politics within a few decades. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 8, 2024 7:05:18 GMT
Muslims make up about 7% of the population - it will be a while before they control anything. If the Muslims want sectarian politics then fine, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to take any notice of them. Very dangerous thinking, Pacifico. The percentage of muslims in London is 15% but when they vote as a bloc - and all of them vote - they can ensure that Sadiq Khan gets elected every 4 years. Also the number of muslims in the UK is roughly doubling every 10 years. If we don't do something about it they'll be controlling our politics within a few decades. You will have conflict on the streets before they control anything - there are natural barriers to them taking over. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 8, 2024 7:11:36 GMT
Here is what it might do, stop polarised politics in its tracks, or we will end up like the US where foreign entities can play each side off while controlling them at the same time, when we had a referendum, it wasn't polarised it drew people across the political spectrum, it was only polarised after the vote. It might not necessarily diminish foreign influence it depends how it is thought out by the electorate at the given time.
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 8, 2024 7:29:31 GMT
No should of said 20% of the vote was for independent. Evidence p-r would wreck democracy with the muslim vote there plenty . which bit of the article you just sent tells us that a muslim vote would wreck democracy under PR? Where did you get 20% share of vote for the 6 independent candidates from? Remember, only 4 of them were standing as pro Gaza muslim candidates so how can just 4 candidates, or 5 if you include Jeremy Corbyn, from just 4 or 5 seats in the UK, equal 20% of UK wide vote share? Bear in mind that the vote share for Reform, who stood in most of the UK, was only 14%. LOG IN Home Latest news France elections UK general election EU election results War in Ukraine Newsletters Podcasts Poll of Polls Policy news Events NEWS POLITICS How Britain voted: Charts and maps We analyze the results which radically changed the UK’s electoral map. SHARE TOPSHOT-BRITAIN-POLITICS-VOTE-RESULT Keir Starmer's party has 411 seats, excluding the speaker's. | Oli Scarff/AFP via Getty Images BY THE NUMBERS JULY 6, 2024 4:26 PM CET BY LUCIA MACKENZIE AND HANNE COKELAERE The U.K. Labour party is celebrating a landslide victory. Keir Starmer’s party has 411 seats, excluding the speaker’s, and a large majority in the House of Commons. His tally includes a number of “red wall” constituencies the party lost to the Conservatives in the previous election in 2019, and seats the Scottish National Party had dominated for nearly a decade. But a closer look at the numbers suggests Labour strategists should not rest on their laurels. U Those same vote shares paint a far weaker picture for Labour than its seat number would suggest. The party recorded a 200-seat jump — but its vote share advanced by only an inch. UK legislative election results 2019 2024 412 seats LAB 121 seats CON 72 seats LD SNP SF IND DUP RE GREEN PC SDLP APNI OTHER UUP Labour Party Conservative Party Liberal Democrats Scottish National Party Sinn Féin Independent Democratic Unionist Party Reform UK Green Party Plaid Cymru Social Democratic and Labour Party Alliance Party of Northern Ireland Other parties Ulster Unionist Party If you notice by vote share independent are 6th and reform are 8th |
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