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Post by Vinny on Jun 26, 2024 22:55:08 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 26, 2024 23:34:55 GMT
Oddly enough Vin, people were saying similar things about Cornwall's mineral wealth back in the 18th century. I don't mean to dismiss your post, but I cant help thinking we've been here before. And besides, rare earth mineral mining which is necessary for net zero is microscopic in this tiny country. It is however destroying pristine eco systems in Africa, South America, and it's shortly to start in Indonesia but lefties don't mind because it's miles away, they cant see it. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 27, 2024 8:40:40 GMT
The problem is that we won't be able to produce the lithium at a competitive price. We don't seem to encourage child labour here and all mining is heavily regulated.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 27, 2024 9:47:08 GMT
The problem is that we won't be able to produce the lithium at a competitive price. We don't seem to encourage child labour here and all mining is heavily regulated. This is true.
It's basic business logic to understand if it were competitive, then it would not need subsidising. Nor would it be necessary to fund the Indian multinational to the tune of £500m of our taxes either for our new electric steel plant which can only recycle old steel, not smelt any new steel since smelting new steel needs coke to carbonise the iron.
Next time the bitches harp on about Chinese state subsidy, they should reflect on their own hypocrisy. The political attacks by the UK and US agaisnt China caused the Chinese government to restrict some rare earth. China will normally apply sanctions agaisnt those sanctioning it. This has been the general pattern anyway with tariff wars and why the WTO was created. The WTO has saved us hundreds of billions in lost business efficiency in trying to keep protectionism at bay. Now we here are paying for it.
Normally I would support the effort made here since if you want to manufacture, you need vertical integration to maximise efficiency and actually be competitive. Subsidies are anticompetitive though.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 27, 2024 9:58:00 GMT
We don't need lithium, or rare earths we don't need electric cars.
There's far better alternatives like hydrogen fuel cells.
And it's high time we cut the Chinese out of British Nuclear Power Station projects.
Tell the dictatorial bastards to fuck off.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 27, 2024 10:45:35 GMT
We don't need lithium, or rare earths we don't need electric cars. There's far better alternatives like hydrogen fuel cells. And it's high time we cut the Chinese out of British Nuclear Power Station projects. Tell the dictatorial bastards to fuck off. You are wrong. Look at the market of EV vs hydrogen. EV is the clear winner and you would go bust if you ever tried to run a business. You ignore business data.
Rare earths are used in electronics. What are you proposing? Do you think we could go back to feudalism?
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Post by Vinny on Jun 27, 2024 10:48:01 GMT
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 27, 2024 12:30:41 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Jun 27, 2024 12:41:54 GMT
Early days, when mass produced the price of a fuel cell car will drop to £25k
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 27, 2024 12:58:34 GMT
Early days, when mass produced the price of a fuel cell car will drop to £25k It has 313m range. Latest electrics are 2000km range, which is 4x the BMW hydrogen range. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 27, 2024 13:12:13 GMT
www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/mirai£64k 348mpg Almost instantaneous refuel time. Put hydrogen infrastructure in place instead of crappy electric vehicle infrastructure (which is under powered as we don't have the power stations to support it) and give China the middle finger. Electrolysis plants can be installed at every fuel station to turn water into hydrogen, therefore no transportation is needed. Far better than digging for rare earths in a fucking dictatorship and transporting them halfway around the world on oil powered freighters. Use Cornish rare earths to make electric motors and wave power generators, build tidal power stations along the coast to power the electrolysis and fuck China off big time.
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Post by patman post on Jun 27, 2024 14:29:24 GMT
Early days, when mass produced the price of a fuel cell car will drop to £25k Renault is already offering a £25k EV hatch: New Renault 5 heads wave of sub £25,000 EVs
Just shows how Chinese EVs (typically MG) are driving down the prices of European EVs...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 27, 2024 15:27:21 GMT
www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/mirai£64k 348mpg Almost instantaneous refuel time. Put hydrogen infrastructure in place instead of crappy electric vehicle infrastructure (which is under powered as we don't have the power stations to support it) and give China the middle finger. Electrolysis plants can be installed at every fuel station to turn water into hydrogen, therefore no transportation is needed. Far better than digging for rare earths in a fucking dictatorship and transporting them halfway around the world on oil powered freighters. Use Cornish rare earths to make electric motors and wave power generators, build tidal power stations along the coast to power the electrolysis and fuck China off big time. If we don't have the power stations to support electric cars run on batteries with a 90% cycle efficiency then we wont have the leccy to do what you say since fuel cells are 60% efficient and 75% for electrolysis to give you a 45% cycle efficiency at far greater capital cost. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 28, 2024 7:04:27 GMT
www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/mirai£64k 348mpg Almost instantaneous refuel time. Put hydrogen infrastructure in place instead of crappy electric vehicle infrastructure (which is under powered as we don't have the power stations to support it) and give China the middle finger. Electrolysis plants can be installed at every fuel station to turn water into hydrogen, therefore no transportation is needed. Far better than digging for rare earths in a fucking dictatorship and transporting them halfway around the world on oil powered freighters. Use Cornish rare earths to make electric motors and wave power generators, build tidal power stations along the coast to power the electrolysis and fuck China off big time. If we don't have the power stations to support electric cars run on batteries with a 90% cycle efficiency then we wont have the leccy to do what you say since fuel cells are 60% efficient and 75% for electrolysis to give you a 45% cycle efficiency at far greater capital cost. That's not true because we can't store the electricity to supply BEVs. The attractive thing about hydrogen fuel cell power is that hydrogen is a good way of storing renewable energy. The only current way we have of storing electricity is by batteries - which are too expensive to be viable. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 28, 2024 8:34:21 GMT
If we don't have the power stations to support electric cars run on batteries with a 90% cycle efficiency then we wont have the leccy to do what you say since fuel cells are 60% efficient and 75% for electrolysis to give you a 45% cycle efficiency at far greater capital cost. That's not true because we can't store the electricity to supply BEVs. The attractive thing about hydrogen fuel cell power is that hydrogen is a good way of storing renewable energy. The only current way we have of storing electricity is by batteries - which are too expensive to be viable. There is a better trick, and that is to charge your EVs off-peak at night where we have a lot of wind energy not being used much. If your EV can do 2000km on one charge I can't imagine you would drive more than that in a day, and also it cuts out the inconvenience of looking for petrol stations. When EVs are on charge they can also help boost storage in an intelligent grid system and get paid for it. |
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