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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 22, 2024 14:07:01 GMT
Hey guess what. Shanghai Eye is running the story about Farage and that interview. That is a Chinese state-funded broadcaster. The Chinese are loving it. The BBC is seen as the biggest bullshitter in China so it is top entertainment to see Farage hack them to pieces in an interview.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 22, 2024 15:58:16 GMT
Farage is no fool. He knew his enemies would let this be known eventually . He just beat them to it .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 22, 2024 16:08:54 GMT
Farage is no fool. He knew his enemies would let this be known eventually . He just beat them to it . Sunak is going for it with saying it is absolutely wrong, but the audience are laughing at him, especially re D-Day. Farage is master at handling a scandal. The press love a bit of controversy in what was an exceedingly boring campaign, and to make matters worse, 4 polls now put Reform ahead of the Tories. We might just see the dynamics of this cause the Tories to dive to virtually nothing, as per a proper wipe-out. Now if the first Asian prime minister causes the party to be wiped out, I guess we won't be seeing a second one for a while eh? |
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Post by LL on Jun 22, 2024 16:39:43 GMT
I would say this is exactly what Farage was hoping for. All the media are talking about him and let’s be real his party were never going come anywhere close to being the official opposition so it’s a win for him.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 22, 2024 22:25:34 GMT
Why would what Farage says carry any more weight than the accusing the NHS of attracting cyber attacks on its facilities by having blood banks and treating victims of Kremlin poisonings? Seems to me, sovereign nations should be free to sever connections with past masters and also choose who they'd like to partner with in defence and/or trade as the economic and political environments change — eg, after Russia's Ukraine aggression, Finland and Sweden have chosen to join Nato, does that give Putin the OK to attack those neighbours too...? It is far more complicated as some regions in Ukraine have majority ethnic Russians and membership of either the EU or NATO would expect a turning away from Russia to protect the single market in one case and to justify their existence in the case of NATO. One has to be awake to the rather complicated ethnic politics that are at play in Eastern Europe. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 23, 2024 0:51:22 GMT
Why would what Farage says carry any more weight than the accusing the NHS of attracting cyber attacks on its facilities by having blood banks and treating victims of Kremlin poisonings? Seems to me, sovereign nations should be free to sever connections with past masters and also choose who they'd like to partner with in defence and/or trade as the economic and political environments change — eg, after Russia's Ukraine aggression, Finland and Sweden have chosen to join Nato, does that give Putin the OK to attack those neighbours too...? It is far more complicated as some regions in Ukraine have majority ethnic Russians and membership of either the EU or NATO would expect a turning away from Russia to protect the single market in one case and to justify their existence in the case of NATO. One has to be awake to the rather complicated ethnic politics that are at play in Eastern Europe. Our media deliberately keep the population dumb on these issues. I watched a few presentations by professors on the subject so was informed of this a long time back. Ukraine was a country too far. actually Ukraine has a history of hotheads. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 23, 2024 6:28:54 GMT
I would say this is exactly what Farage was hoping for. All the media are talking about him and let’s be real his party were never going come anywhere close to being the official opposition so it’s a win for him. I think Farage was just telling the truth as he sees it. The trouble is it's just one of these subjects that have become a minefield. What Farage said was a statement of the obvious. The EU came out of the Marshall Plan and was an attempt to bring long term peace to Europe by uniting the nations via trade. Unfortunately, like anything that involves politicians, it has become a political project and the EU Commission are intent on creating a superstate (with an army) bang on Russia's border. It was guaranteed to start a war with Russia. Farage just stated the obvious when he told this to the European "parliament" many years ago. This is the EU's war and we should have never got involved. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 23, 2024 7:00:18 GMT
After what Putin did to Chechnya, of course we should have gotten involved. Putin was trying to join NATO in 2000 whilst committing genocide in Chechnya.
And we let his corrupt mafia regime launder stolen money here.
Putin is the richest man on earth and the biggest criminal.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 23, 2024 10:41:34 GMT
What Farage said is undeniably true, but I maintain he was a bloody fool to say it now just before an election. It was pretty obvious his detractors would jump on it and accuse him of being pro Putin, which is total bollox.
Just for accuracy, and to cut a long story short; in 2013 the pro Russian Poroshenko government in Ukraine was voted out and replaced with the Zelenskyy pro EU government, Putin was not the only person who accused the EU of interference, and as a result he annexed Crimea.
Prior to the Russian invasion in 2022 many people accused the EU of interfering in Ukraine including Labour peer and former NATO secretary general Lord Robertson who was and still is very critical of the EU's expansion into former soviet states blaming the EU for provoking Putin. What Farage said is nothing compared to some of the things Lord Robertson has said. Naturally, Starmer and the Farage bashing media seem unconcerned about it.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 23, 2024 10:44:58 GMT
I agree, which is why Farage should have seen this shitstorm comming. He can get away with saying most thing most of the time, but not something as contentious as this two weeks before a general election. All he's done is hand his opponents a stick to beat him with. I don't think so. Let them do it and expose the BS. The thing is Ukraine is likely to turn into the next Iraq as far as public opinion is concerned. To begin with all the proles were geed up for war, but little by little the lies fell apart. Give it 5 years and Farage will say, yes but I was the first to say that when everyone else was attacking me. A bit like it was re the EU. Back in 2013 or 2014 Farage predicted that EU interference in Ukraine would lead to war. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 23, 2024 10:52:19 GMT
I agree, which is why Farage should have seen this shitstorm comming. He can get away with saying most thing most of the time, but not something as contentious as this two weeks before a general election. All he's done is hand his opponents a stick to beat him with. I'm really surprised at this from you RR. You surely understand by now that Farage just says what he thinks - and he's usually right. He challenged immigration when it was unacceptable to do so - and he was attacked for doing this. But the majority of the UK (and the EU) now realise that immigration is too high. Farage has now challenged the "group think" that the Russia/Ukraine war is a "black and white" issue - where Russia is black and Ukraine is white. It's more complex than that but almost all our politicians unite to attack anyone who points this out. And you seem to be saying that Farage shouldn't be doing this for fear of losing votes. FFS Farage is where he is now because isn't afraid of telling the truth. Or do you want ALL our politicians to lie for fear of being cancelled or a left wing pile-on. He couldn't give a shit.. I agree, Farage is indeed usually right. Which is why I'm surprised he said something so contentious just before a general election in which he is contesting, that all political parties and his detractors in the media were obviously going to jump on. And they have. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 10:58:09 GMT
Why would what Farage says carry any more weight than the accusing the NHS of attracting cyber attacks on its facilities by having blood banks and treating victims of Kremlin poisonings? Seems to me, sovereign nations should be free to sever connections with past masters and also choose who they'd like to partner with in defence and/or trade as the economic and political environments change — eg, after Russia's Ukraine aggression, Finland and Sweden have chosen to join Nato, does that give Putin the OK to attack those neighbours too...? It is far more complicated as some regions in Ukraine have majority ethnic Russians and membership of either the EU or NATO would expect a turning away from Russia to protect the single market in one case and to justify their existence in the case of NATO. One has to be awake to the rather complicated ethnic politics that are at play in Eastern Europe. Before the war Germany was dependent on Russia for energy and were making special deals outside of the EU (not actually allowed for other members) with Russia. This was when the EU was beginning to evaporate under the weight of its hypocrisy, bureaucracy and corruption.
Then along comes Russia with a war that the EU helped start.
The EU divides countries and consumes them, and war is clearly expected to bring this fascist construct closer together, which was the idea Mussolini had when he supported the Reich's conquest of Europe back in the day. Oswald Mosley was for Europe a Nation, but the EUphiles on here, seemingly with the full support of the establishment Left, are spreading wild lies that Farage is in anyway comparable to these actual fascists. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 23, 2024 14:51:47 GMT
I would say this is exactly what Farage was hoping for. All the media are talking about him and let’s be real his party were never going come anywhere close to being the official opposition so it’s a win for him. I think Farage was just telling the truth as he sees it. The trouble is it's just one of these subjects that have become a minefield. What Farage said was a statement of the obvious. The EU came out of the Marshall Plan and was an attempt to bring long term peace to Europe by uniting the nations via trade. Unfortunately, like anything that involves politicians, it has become a political project and the EU Commission are intent on creating a superstate (with an army) bang on Russia's border. It was guaranteed to start a war with Russia. Farage just stated the obvious when he told this to the European "parliament" many years ago. This is the EU's war and we should have never got involved. US bastards tell them to flap like shit. That's why they all do it. All the flappers are being driven by remote control from Washington. US forbids the British media to go beyond certain bounds and defines replies to certain issues, hence why it is all the bloody same. The sooner the proles wake up to this fact the better.
What it does say though, which is a breath of fresh air, is Mr Farage is not not interfaced to this primary RC channel of control. He says what he wants to say. From my knowledge of Farage, what he is doing here is not telling the whole story, since the whole story is far too complicated and can not be squeezed into a soundbite, so he just says one thing which is both obvious and backed up by solid fact. It pushes the boundaries of popular discussion. It's like a series of islands from land A to land B. Now we are on the notion that the West might have provoked it. Once that is mainstream public understanding we can hop to another stage and eventually we will get a complete understanding like we do on Iraq. It also serves to expose those media channels who are really independent of Washington. It's good news here. Shanghai Eye from China gave it the nod of approval, as did the Aussies down at Sky News Australia and I also caught it on a channel that serves India and the Middle East. It's all good stuff. These channels are fully backing Mr Farage. Poor old Mr Sunak though. Farage seems to have hit exactly the right spot to cause exactly the right reaction to get exactly the right result in Clacton and beyond. Indeed it amuses me greatly.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 24, 2024 5:55:54 GMT
Yanukovych was President in 2013, his orders killed over 100 people, the Ukrainian parliament started an impeachment process and called fresh elections.
Putin then stole Crimea and sent mercenaries into Donetsk Luhanask and Odesa.
In the elections Poroshenko got in, but was sacked in 2019.
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Post by Orac on Jun 24, 2024 7:23:51 GMT
The opposition parties are up in arms about Farage saying that the EU and NATO basically provoked Russia into invading Ukraine. This is just a statement of the bleeding obvious. It's been obvious for years that the EU's empire building was pissing off Putin and needed some diplomatic handling from the likes of Ursula van der Leyen - of which there was none. Coupled with the EU's aspirations to have an army this was a severe provocation on Russia's border. The opposition are trying to twist what Farage said as justifying Putin's invasion - but he has said specifically that nothing justifies the invasion of Ukraine. But it was foolish of the EU to risk provoking a despot like Putin. This is more or less my position. The political class, by relentlessly and obtusely pursuing their career interests, have walked us all into a giant dangerous cowpat that could have easily been avoided. |
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