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Post by Vinny on Jul 11, 2024 0:05:15 GMT
Nobody chooses to be black or white, to have blue eyes or brown, it's the luck of the draw, we are defined by who we are, what we do, how we treat others, how good we are at our jobs.
Starting to feel proud of the Three Lions again though.
Come on England, a win is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2024 4:40:55 GMT
sandypine Oh yes they can, and they do!  The 'Positive Discriminators' as I'd probably describe them, definitely DO insist on having their cake and eating it. You only have to think back to last month when the Media were hauled over the coals, by the collection of the usual voices demanding censorship . The crime that some newspapers and other Sports reporting outlets had committed, was to show a photo of a black footballer when reporting on a bad performance from the England team. The BBC used its usual corporate speak to indicate it wouldn't make such a mistake again ...... and I'd be surprised if the tabloids and the rest of the media haven't quickly fallen into line. It's a simple new rule that's demanded ..... Play poorly and lose = Absence of black faces in report. ..... Play well and win = Wall to wall diversity required in report. Here's how the BBC tip-toed through its article on the issue a month ago - link - Media Coverage Criticised For Use Of Saka Image In England DefeatWhich just proves that we're not all the same or defined by what we do in the establishment eyes. We are defined by skin colour, which the BBC has openly admitted to. Everything else is just virtue signalling BS and lies from hypocrites. I can understand why they're so incredibly intolerant of all views that expose this. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 11, 2024 5:34:16 GMT
I remember very well 4 yrs ago yo today Dan lambasted Saka for missing his penalty in the 2020 final . He said it was because he was Black and he had no pride for England. No you're wrong.
It was Southgate I lambasted for bringing on three black players specifically for the penalties, when there were already perfectly capable (white) players on the field.
My remarks about black players and their commitment to the English cause still stand. Given the prevailing attitudes amongst minorities of all sorts to what they regard as endemic racism on the part of the majority population, strongly reinforced by the legacy media and the opinion-forming class, they would have to be saints to be whole-hearted supporters of the cause.
I believe it's more important for them (and their promoters) as an expression of the currently fashionable diversity cult rather than anything to do with England as such, its culture and heritage.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 11, 2024 7:00:25 GMT
If a black player scores a hatrick and England win the tournament by three goals to nil, Dan will still sulk about it. However the press will spend as much time and column inches as they can telling us how diversity has brought us success and it is the black players that are central to that success and he scored the goals because he was black. In 2020 Southgate tried to ensure that black players would be on to take the penalties and would be sequenced whereby the chance of them scoring the winner was pretty strong. It backfired spectacularly on him and the press made much of players being criticised as racist when the actual racist comments were few and far between and in the main what happened was they were blamed for being at the important point of being inept. Just as Beckham was hated for some time for being sent off for stupid retaliation. Sometimes fickle football fans are just fickle football fans |
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Post by Tinculin on Jul 11, 2024 11:44:00 GMT
I remember very well 4 yrs ago yo today Dan lambasted Saka for missing his penalty in the 2020 final . He said it was because he was Black and he had no pride for England. No you're wrong.
It was Southgate I lambasted for bringing on three black players specifically for the penalties, when there were already perfectly capable (white) players on the field.
My remarks about black players and their commitment to the English cause still stand. Given the prevailing attitudes amongst minorities of all sorts to what they regard as endemic racism on the part of the majority population, strongly reinforced by the legacy media and the opinion-forming class, they would have to be saints to be whole-hearted supporters of the cause.
I believe it's more important for them (and their promoters) as an expression of the currently fashionable diversity cult rather than anything to do with England as such, its culture and heritage.
Statistically, the five people who took the penalties (and scored), were the best penalty takers that England had on the field at the time. Statistically, it was completely the right decision to make. There were only 2 subs made during injury time, Foden (who has a worse penalty record than Arnold who replaced him), and therefore it made complete sense to make the substitution, and Kane for Toney - (Toney being the 2nd best penalty taker England has after Kane). Kane is finding himself subbed, not because he's white, but because he's not fit for the full duration of the match, which was pretty apparent in the NL game yesterday - and just look at what happened when he was subbed, we got our winner. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 11, 2024 12:03:41 GMT
TTL and I were discussing 2021, not last Sunday.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 11, 2024 18:08:01 GMT
No you're wrong.
It was Southgate I lambasted for bringing on three black players specifically for the penalties, when there were already perfectly capable (white) players on the field.
My remarks about black players and their commitment to the English cause still stand. Given the prevailing attitudes amongst minorities of all sorts to what they regard as endemic racism on the part of the majority population, strongly reinforced by the legacy media and the opinion-forming class, they would have to be saints to be whole-hearted supporters of the cause.
I believe it's more important for them (and their promoters) as an expression of the currently fashionable diversity cult rather than anything to do with England as such, its culture and heritage.
Statistically, the five people who took the penalties (and scored), were the best penalty takers that England had on the field at the time. Statistically, it was completely the right decision to make. There were only 2 subs made during injury time, Foden (who has a worse penalty record than Arnold who replaced him), and therefore it made complete sense to make the substitution, and Kane for Toney - (Toney being the 2nd best penalty taker England has after Kane). Kane is finding himself subbed, not because he's white, but because he's not fit for the full duration of the match, which was pretty apparent in the NL game yesterday - and just look at what happened when he was subbed, we got our winner. That is probably about right however no matter how much the MSN purports to be anti-racist and morally superior they cannot resist pointing out that the penalty takers were black and the winning goalscorer was black. If it is of no consequence then why mention it, they mention it therefore they must have an agenda in saying it and it is no different to someone saying the penalty missers in 2020 were all black. Mr King would not rest easy. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 11, 2024 19:01:15 GMT
Is it healthy for the Chinese to be taking such an intense interest in a European event, an important part of our cultural patrimony I would simply ask what power, as opposed to propaganda bullshit, they get for their money. I personally give zero extra credence to any organisation calling itself the official wielder of some catchphrase of the whateverthefuck tournament, knowing it simply identifies them as the thrower of a wad of wonga at said organisation I don't know, and don't care what they think they're getting for their money as long as they actually get diddly squat |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 11, 2024 23:18:05 GMT
No, not a 'coloured thing', a Euro versus a non-Euro thing. Doesn't it even create a slight concern for you that we have narrowly avoided a European final in which over 80% of the participants are not of European ancestry. No. Who cares? Who notices? |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 11, 2024 23:50:28 GMT
White supremacist ex pat Europhiles like Dan.
Why? Dunno.
It's as illogical as that episode of Star Trek with the black and white aliens.
A goal is a goal, why should colour fucking matter? Go by stats and pick the best.
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Post by Tinculin on Jul 12, 2024 5:12:45 GMT
Statistically, the five people who took the penalties (and scored), were the best penalty takers that England had on the field at the time. Statistically, it was completely the right decision to make. There were only 2 subs made during injury time, Foden (who has a worse penalty record than Arnold who replaced him), and therefore it made complete sense to make the substitution, and Kane for Toney - (Toney being the 2nd best penalty taker England has after Kane). Kane is finding himself subbed, not because he's white, but because he's not fit for the full duration of the match, which was pretty apparent in the NL game yesterday - and just look at what happened when he was subbed, we got our winner. That is probably about right however no matter how much the MSN purports to be anti-racist and morally superior they cannot resist pointing out that the penalty takers were black and the winning goalscorer was black. If it is of no consequence then why mention it, they mention it therefore they must have an agenda in saying it and it is no different to someone saying the penalty missers in 2020 were all black. Mr King would not rest easy. I don’t deny the MSN play at group politics. The best way to end racism is to stop talking about it every 5 minutes. But we all know that talentless journalists and sensationalists have made careers from it. However back on point, to think the England football team is doing anything other than trying its best to win, is just baloney. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 12, 2024 6:38:45 GMT
I don’t deny the MSN play at group politics. The best way to end racism is to stop talking about it every 5 minutes. But we all know that talentless journalists and sensationalists have made careers from it. I thought exactly that. I was listening to Radio 4's 'Today' programme yesterday morning and they had a report on the game from the night before and even then they managed to shoehorn some discussion about race into it - they even brought on some nutty professor to claim it was proof of the success of multiculturalism.. FFS - it was only a game of football. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 12, 2024 8:46:23 GMT
No. The best way to stop racism is to halt immigration from outside the Eurosphere, and to find some way to repatriate racial aliens already here.
Taking solace in the incantation that 'it's only a game of football' is dodging the issue.
Read Murray.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 12, 2024 10:29:25 GMT
No. The best way to stop racism is to halt immigration from outside the Eurosphere, and to find some way to repatriate racial aliens already here. Sounds like the world has got smaller, but you're finding it difficult to cope with this. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 12, 2024 10:42:02 GMT
No. The best way to stop racism is to halt immigration from outside the Eurosphere, and to find some way to repatriate racial aliens already here. Sounds like the world has got smaller, but you're finding it difficult to cope with this. He's an ex pat, he's lived in many countries (if memory serves, he's lived in the USA), he loves the EU (as it's full of white people), he's never gotten over black people existing and doing well in sports. |
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The 'Positive Discriminators' as I'd probably describe them, definitely DO insist on having their cake and eating it. You only have to think back to last month when the Media were hauled over the coals, by the collection of the usual voices demanding censorship . The crime that some newspapers and other Sports reporting outlets had committed, was to show a photo of a black footballer when reporting on a bad performance from the England team. The BBC used its usual corporate speak to indicate it wouldn't make such a mistake again ...... and I'd be surprised if the tabloids and the rest of the media haven't quickly fallen into line.
