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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2022 21:53:14 GMT
Come over here! We love you! 😍 And we'll kick you out after 10 years because you're not really welcome because we don't like foreigners and you steal all our jobs. Many countries make do with temporary work permits. It is a contract, just like the British brickies and building workers used to do in Germany, just like UK construction workers did all over the ME and North Africa all through the 70s and 80s, just like Japan works, just like China works, just like Australia does, just like India does. It is not an unusual thing and would solve our apprently insurmountable problems of insufficient skilled employees. In the 60s many foreign nurses came to the UK for training in the NHS and made a contribution at the same time. I fail to see the problem. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 29, 2022 21:53:37 GMT
Good question. Yes, but you'd have to sign up to my theory to see why. As you know my theory is that the government relies on an increased population each year to increase GDP and tax take to pay last years debts. They have become addicted to this injection of grownups who do not need to be fed and nurtured for 18 years before they contribute. I know the argument, that they don't pay much tax, but they don't need to, they just need to make things that sell. So if they stop immigration GDP stalls, tax slows but the goodies the public want continue to grow and the population grows older. Conclusion; any government that promise to cut immigration will have to promise to raise taxes. There's the rub. Well we have close on record legal immigration and taxes are soaring so what is the difference? In effect though you do not need immigrants you just have to have a programme of work permits, training programmes and a block on permanent immigration. Yes I've often thought this. There has to be a reason why we don't, but I've not got round to researching it yet. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2022 21:56:29 GMT
Are you saying that a Government prepared to reduce immigration cannot be voted in? Good question. Yes, but you'd have to sign up to my theory to see why. As you know my theory is that the government relies on an increased population each year to increase GDP and tax take to pay last years debts. They have become addicted to this injection of grownups who do not need to be fed and nurtured for 18 years before they contribute. I know the argument, that they don't pay much tax, but they don't need to, they just need to make things that sell. So if they stop immigration GDP stalls, tax slows but the goodies the public want continue to grow and the population grows older. Conclusion; any government that promise to cut immigration will have to promise to raise taxes. There's the rub. Or they could cut Public Spending... if you went back to the level of spending just 5 years ago you would save over £200 Billion a year. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2022 22:00:21 GMT
Come over here! We love you! 😍 And we'll kick you out after 10 years because you're not really welcome because we don't like foreigners and you steal all our jobs. That is how much of the world works.. they allow you in to do a job and when that job is over you leave, over 200,000 British expats are currently living in the Middle East under exactly those terms. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 29, 2022 22:02:34 GMT
Good question. Yes, but you'd have to sign up to my theory to see why. As you know my theory is that the government relies on an increased population each year to increase GDP and tax take to pay last years debts. They have become addicted to this injection of grownups who do not need to be fed and nurtured for 18 years before they contribute. I know the argument, that they don't pay much tax, but they don't need to, they just need to make things that sell. So if they stop immigration GDP stalls, tax slows but the goodies the public want continue to grow and the population grows older. Conclusion; any government that promise to cut immigration will have to promise to raise taxes. There's the rub. Or they could cut Public Spending... if you went back to the level of spending just 5 years ago you would save over £200 Billion a year. But the voters don't want that either. I keep asking you what new treatments you want to give up. You keep pretending the 200Bn could be saved by cutting waste. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2022 22:05:30 GMT
Or they could cut Public Spending... if you went back to the level of spending just 5 years ago you would save over £200 Billion a year. I keep asking you what new treatments you want to give up. You keep pretending the 200Bn could be saved by cutting waste. Well that is a lie - the voters continually want less spending on overseas aid, asylum seekers, net zero etc etc. The last thing that you want is to allow the voters a say in spending.  |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 29, 2022 22:27:02 GMT
But the voters don't want that either. I keep asking you what new treatments you want to give up. You keep pretending the 200Bn could be saved by cutting waste. Well that is a lie - the voters continually want less spending on overseas aid, asylum seekers, net zero etc etc. The last thing that you want is to allow the voters a say in spending. Overseas aid 5 Bn . Government spending 1,115 Bn. Asylum seekers 0.8Bn Government spending 1,115 Bn That's half a percent well done. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2022 22:42:04 GMT
Well that is a lie - the voters continually want less spending on overseas aid, asylum seekers, net zero etc etc. The last thing that you want is to allow the voters a say in spending. Overseas aid 5 Bn . Government spending 1,115 Bn. Asylum seekers 0.8Bn Government spending 1,115 Bn That's half a percent well done. And what about the rest? - just accept that you are in the minority, according to yougov a third of all adults in Britain (35%) say that the government is taxing and spending too much, compared to a 23% who think the opposite and agree with you. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2022 22:51:29 GMT
Well that is a lie - the voters continually want less spending on overseas aid, asylum seekers, net zero etc etc. The last thing that you want is to allow the voters a say in spending. Overseas aid 5 Bn . Government spending 1,115 Bn. Asylum seekers 0.8Bn Government spending 1,115 Bn That's half a percent well done. I think your figures are out. Foreign aid is 0.5 of GDP which means it is about 12billion. Asylum seekers is a bit trickier as some of the foreign aid budget goes on that but it is at least 2 billion and then associated costs to the French, the border force, health risks, health services etc etc. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 29, 2022 23:15:05 GMT
Come over here! We love you! 😍 And we'll kick you out after 10 years because you're not really welcome because we don't like foreigners and you steal all our jobs. That is how much of the world works.. they allow you in to do a job and when that job is over you leave, over 200,000 British expats are currently living in the Middle East under exactly those terms. Just imagine that you take on our NHS workers on a 10 year basis and then they can bog off. Is this serious? 🤔 |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 30, 2022 7:43:23 GMT
Overseas aid 5 Bn . Government spending 1,115 Bn. Asylum seekers 0.8Bn Government spending 1,115 Bn That's half a percent well done. And what about the rest? - just accept that you are in the minority, according to yougov a third of all adults in Britain (35%) say that the government is taxing and spending too much, compared to a 23% who think the opposite and agree with you. I do accept I am in a minority. You have wondered off point. I already stated that voters don't want tax increases, but they don't want services cut either. Hence the governments solution as I proposed. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 30, 2022 8:00:59 GMT
That is how much of the world works.. they allow you in to do a job and when that job is over you leave, over 200,000 British expats are currently living in the Middle East under exactly those terms. Just imagine that you take on our NHS workers on a 10 year basis and then they can bog off. Is this serious? 🤔 It works well for healthworkers in other countries around the globe - is this British exceptionalism again? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 30, 2022 8:02:16 GMT
And what about the rest? - just accept that you are in the minority, according to yougov a third of all adults in Britain (35%) say that the government is taxing and spending too much, compared to a 23% who think the opposite and agree with you. I do accept I am in a minority. You have wondered off point. I already stated that voters don't want tax increases, but they don't want services cut either. Hence the governments solution as I proposed. But voters do want public spending cut - the complaints about the highest tax burden since WW2 are testament to that. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 30, 2022 8:07:35 GMT
I do accept I am in a minority. You have wondered off point. I already stated that voters don't want tax increases, but they don't want services cut either. Hence the governments solution as I proposed. But voters do want public spending cut - the complaints about the highest tax burden since WW2 are testament to that. Yes. How many more times. They want spending cut. They don't want services cut. So I ask you again, not expecting any answer because you don't have one. Which medical breakthroughs since WW2 do you want cut. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 30, 2022 8:11:40 GMT
An interesting comment from another thread.
In private schools people pay substantially more for better results.
Is anybody interested in paying more tax for a better education for children?
No, I thought not. You all want a better education for your children for no more money.
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