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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 9, 2024 13:54:21 GMT
A senior Labour figure has said the party will bring back freedom of movement in bombshell comments seen by The Mail on Sunday. They reveal plans for a Labour government to reopen Brexit talks and claim that 'restoring freedom of movement is paramount'. Last night senior Conservatives accused Sir Keir Starmer of 'lying' to the British public about his plans. Former Tory party leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith said: 'This is stage one, two and three of re-entering the European Union.' Fiona Urquhart, chairman of Labour International, the group tasked with rallying expats to vote for Labour in next month's election, has also pledged to give EU-based Britons their own MP in Westminster. She also appeared to admit Labour is not being upfront with its plans ahead of the election, saying: 'The party is being cautious, it's not making too many bold announcements [Until after the election] because, should it come to power, it does not know what it's going to be faced with. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13509495/Labour-official-Fiona-Urquhart-reveals-partys-goal-EU.htmlNaturally Starmer will not want to publicly discuss this...until after July 4th. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 9, 2024 14:07:10 GMT
If this is true it's unclear why Starmer is being so bashful about it. Restoring FoM is likely to be a very popular move, especially with younger voters.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 9, 2024 22:51:13 GMT
This is good news - my European retirement could be back on.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 9, 2024 22:54:30 GMT
FOM without rejoining? Really ?
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 10, 2024 6:51:45 GMT
This is good news - my European retirement could be back on. There is an interesting argument - we need FoM to make it easier for people to leave the country.. Who gives a shit about those that remain..  |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 10, 2024 6:57:14 GMT
FOM without rejoining? Really ? There was no necessity to leave the single market when we Brexited, it was a political choice, so why not? |
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 10, 2024 7:26:11 GMT
FOM without rejoining? Really ? There was no necessity to leave the single market when we Brexited, it was a political choice, so why not? We have done this to death for 10 years , "Leaving the European Union means leaving the single market and the customs union" David Cameron . It was part of the choice to leave , if Cameron had said he was offering a referendum but we are not leaving the customs union and are retaining freedom of movement he would have been laughed out of the building . Having said that Ive nothing against free movement of workers as it was intended nor for that matter our pensioners sitting in the sun . What was wrong was mass migrations of Eastern Europeans in the low wage sectors along with the benefit top ups and extras many of them received . So I hope its not free movement as we knew it but more industry specific for jobs we need to fill on work visas . Something like the points based immigration system Farage has been suggesting for the many years |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2024 9:44:06 GMT
This is good news - my European retirement could be back on. I'm not sure you would feel comfortable in the EU, especially as it is turning into the haunt of those crazy swivel-eyed right wing loons. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 10, 2024 10:43:08 GMT
FOM without rejoining? Really ? There was no necessity to leave the single market when we Brexited, it was a political choice, so why not? I suspect that it would take at least rejoining the single market for FOM ,possibly more. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2024 10:57:51 GMT
There was no necessity to leave the single market when we Brexited, it was a political choice, so why not? I suspect that it would take at least rejoining the single market for FOM , possibly more.Oh, and cash, lots of cash travelling across to the mainland. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 10, 2024 11:01:02 GMT
I suspect that it would take at least rejoining the single market for FOM , possibly more.Oh, and cash, lots of cash travelling across to the mainland. Indeed. That’s why we will end up half in the EU without a referendum. The idiots who tell us that the majority want to rejoin have no idea what the terms to re join would be . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2024 11:10:44 GMT
There was no necessity to leave the single market when we Brexited, it was a political choice, so why not? We have done this to death for 10 years , "Leaving the European Union means leaving the single market and the customs union" David Cameron . It was part of the choice to leave , if Cameron had said he was offering a referendum but we are not leaving the customs union and are retaining freedom of movement he would have been laughed out of the building . Having said that Ive nothing against free movement of workers as it was intended nor for that matter our pensioners sitting in the sun . What was wrong was mass migrations of Eastern Europeans in the low wage sectors along with the benefit top ups and extras many of them received . So I hope its not free movement as we knew it but more industry specific for jobs we need to fill on work visas . Something like the points based immigration system Farage has been suggesting for the many years The attempts to negotiate with the EU failed, despite the EUphiles like McCameron desperately trying to counter UKIP and other sceptics. My guess is that Andrew just likes to spread lies for Labour, which is understandable since this is what Labour does.
The issue isn't what Labour says it will do or even what its manifesto says. Labour generally implements their dark shit without a mandate post-election, so expect a real horror show which will be rapid and destructive.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 10, 2024 12:59:55 GMT
My guess is that Andrew just likes to spread lies for Labour, which is understandable since this is what Labour does. Except I'm not a Labour supporter. I'm more of a LibDem or Green, but have become a tactical voter in recent years, so as such I will be voting Labour in this election. I don't like telling lies, it's not helpful to the cause. That's why I pick on the people on this board who makes things up and then present them as fact. The issue isn't what Labour says it will do or even what its manifesto says. Labour generally implements their dark shit without a mandate post-election, so expect a real horror show which will be rapid and destructive. Much as I'd love to have FoM restored, I don't see a way of it happening just like that. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 10, 2024 13:29:29 GMT
This is good news - my European retirement could be back on. LOL, quell surprise. But you are of course quite wrong Andrew, this is terrible news. If or when Starmer goes cap in hand to Brussels it wont be a case of the UK simply re-joining the single market or freedom of movement, anyone who thinks it would be that simple are being extremely naive. The EU will have a raft of demands that Starmer must sign up to. The EU will seek to humiliate and make an example of the UK for Brexit, the unelected commissioners and presidents will use it to strengthen EU authority and as a message for any stroppy EU states who may be thinking of leaving the bloc, that this is what happens when you come crawling back cap in hand. And I'll tell you something else, the majority of people in this country would never forget or forgive the fact that Starmer cancelled the biggest democratic vote in British political history. And for the record, you don't need freedom of movement to live in the EU, there are plenty of ex pats living in the EU. On a personal level, my sis-in-law lives in Spain, my son lives in France and I have friends, English friends, who live in Germany and Bulgaria... of all places. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 10, 2024 13:36:35 GMT
Freedom of movement with the EU could benefit individuals and the UK economy, but it depends on what the terms are.
Why would the EU want to allow UK workers unrestricted access to the EU to take jobs away from fully paid-up members' citizens...?
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