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Post by Hutchyns on Jun 9, 2024 7:42:57 GMT
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jun 9, 2024 7:49:00 GMT
It does though. There are plenty of people of foreign descent who were born and raised in Britain who are British citizens by law and are as culturally British as anyone, I'm one of them, I know many more. You and others deny this reality and make up rules to justify your denial. No - that is not true. Many people have been born in overseas countries yet are not citizens of the country they were born in - that is the Law. Take the ex-US Presidential candidate John McCain - McCain was a US natural citizen, but he was born in Panama. He was never a Panamanian citizen. I said born and raised. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jun 9, 2024 7:50:43 GMT
As I have said there could be a conflict of interests .Immigration for example in 2020 was around 260,000 . In 2023 that was the same number from India alone .So it would seem the government is favouring immigration from the Prime ministers ethnic group . What happens if we have a trade war with India ,a military incident or even having to pick sides when they go to war with China ?. Can you trust someone with an ethnic background to do whats best for the UK or will they do whats best for their wife , their in-laws and extended family ? Its best for me that we never face such a scenario and keep the leadership of the country in house . You realise that indigenous Brits could just as easily have conflicts of interest that could say lead them to give dodgy PPE contracts to family and friends? |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 9, 2024 7:52:13 GMT
As I have said there could be a conflict of interests .Immigration for example in 2020 was around 260,000 . In 2023 that was the same number from India alone .So it would seem the government is favouring immigration from the Prime ministers ethnic group . What happens if we have a trade war with India ,a military incident or even having to pick sides when they go to war with China ?. Can you trust someone with an ethnic background to do whats best for the UK or will they do whats best for their wife , their in-laws and extended family ? Its best for me that we never face such a scenario and keep the leadership of the country in house . You realise that indigenous Brits could just as easily have conflicts of interest that could say lead them to give dodgy PPE contracts to family and friends? Fair comment, corruption isn't limited to race. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 9, 2024 8:12:15 GMT
Trouble us with lefties they are so thick they can’t see beyond black people when ‘ ethnic minorities’ is mentioned I repeat ..Trouble with lefties like you is that if one ‘knocks’ a coloured person you claim it’s because they are coloured . ‘Racist ‘and ‘far right’ pops up in your heads like a tic. Afaik no one mentioned ‘ black ‘ except you and another leftie. The irony is that another leftie on another thread has been arguing that a white person cannot be racist to white people. So we have situation where a person who says an ethnic Pole can be regarded as a foreigner without being racist whereas an ethnic Indian cannot be regarded as a foreigner without being racist ….according to lefties . The problem is you have mixed up foreigner with other ethnicities. If someone is born in the UK, they are not a foreigner, by definition, regardless of their ethnicity. Missed the point much ? Lefties like you make it a COLOUR issue merely to cry ‘ racist ‘. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 9, 2024 8:55:06 GMT
As far as I am concerned if you are living in the UK and are non-white regardless of age religion, then you are a foreigner to the UK.
Just like if any White who are native to the UK but born in Africa are foreigners in Africa, that's how they will be referred to, and no one will take offense and start screaming racists, it's just a fact of life, but as usual the lefties want to scream racism when they can't win a debate.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 9, 2024 9:00:18 GMT
If I was born and raised in Africa but my white parents were both English born and bred, I would not take offense at Black African nationals calling me a foreigner, I think my white face would stand out a mile, and therefore would expect to be referred as a foreigner .... so what?
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jun 9, 2024 9:00:44 GMT
As far as I am concerned if you are living in the UK and are non-white regardless of age religion, then you are a foreigner to the UK. Just like if any White who are native to the UK but born in Africa are foreigners in Africa, that's how they will be referred to, and no one will take offense and start screaming racists, it's just a fact of life, but as usual the lefties want to scream racism when they can't win a debate. "As far as I am concerned if you are living in the UK and are non-white regardless of age religion, then you are a foreigner to the UK." But remember everyone it's not a colour issue. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 9, 2024 9:00:59 GMT
White people in South Africa are considered foreigners in South Africa 30 years after the end of Apartheid.
How would our lefties react if our leaders wanted to take farms and businesses from black people who had lived here for many generations.
Lefties love to interfere in affairs somewhere else in the world . Why aren’t they making banners and protesting against prejudice in SA ?
I think we all know why..
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jun 9, 2024 9:22:03 GMT
Another Tory D-Day blunder it seems; "A Tory councillor is facing a backlash after he appeared to criticise a Labour candidate for taking part in D-Day commemorations. "Daniel Nelson appeared to question Bayo Alaba's participation in an event to mark the 80th anniversary of D-Day. Mr Alaba, who served in the Parachute Regiment Reserves, was taking part in a parachute jump to remember Normandy airborne operations. Mr Nelson, who is a councillor in Southend, boasted on X/Twitter about talking to residents during "fantastic door knocking sessions". Hitting out at the Mr Alaba, who is standing for Labour in the area, he added: "Is the Labour candidate still in France?" www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/fury-tories-criticise-labour-candidate-32990943 |
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Post by aristaeus on Jun 9, 2024 11:32:29 GMT
You said ethnic minorities shouldn't be allowed to hold high office. The definition of ethnic minority is: "Ethnic minority refers to racial and ethnic groups that are in a minority in the population. In the UK, they usually cover all ethnic groups except White British." If you didn't mean that only white British people should be able to hold high office, then you should use a different term. Do you think a black person born in the UK should be able to hold high office? Yes or no My last post covers your assumption of what I meant . As to your last question seeing as you are obsessed with peoples colour the answer is yes a Black person could hold high office in the UK .They would have to be descendants of Quintus Lollius Urbicus or maybe Nathaniel Wells though . So a black person is not an ethnic minority if they are a descendant of those two people? And a black person could only stand for higher office if they are related to those two people? So 99% of black people would be barred from holding high office if you had your way. Can you understand why some people might consider that racist? |
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 9, 2024 13:50:34 GMT
My last post covers your assumption of what I meant . As to your last question seeing as you are obsessed with peoples colour the answer is yes a Black person could hold high office in the UK .They would have to be descendants of Quintus Lollius Urbicus or maybe Nathaniel Wells though . So a black person is not an ethnic minority if they are a descendant of those two people? And a black person could only stand for higher office if they are related to those two people? So 99% of black people would be barred from holding high office if you had your way. Can you understand why some people might consider that racist? Well not those two people specifically but I'm sure you get my drift . Just to be clear though people without ethnic connections to other countries . I dont know why anyone would consider it racist to want the prime minister of the UK to be of British ethnicity , only people without our best interests at front and centre would think so . |
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Post by dodgydave on Jun 9, 2024 22:22:17 GMT
So a black person is not an ethnic minority if they are a descendant of those two people? And a black person could only stand for higher office if they are related to those two people? So 99% of black people would be barred from holding high office if you had your way. Can you understand why some people might consider that racist? Well not those two people specifically but I'm sure you get my drift . Just to be clear though people without ethnic connections to other countries . I dont know why anyone would consider it racist to want the prime minister of the UK to be of British ethnicity , only people without our best interests at front and centre would think so . Probably because there is no such thing as "ethnically British".... because shock horror... over the centuries the people of Europe have moved around and shagged each other. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 10, 2024 7:41:50 GMT
Well not those two people specifically but I'm sure you get my drift . Just to be clear though people without ethnic connections to other countries . I dont know why anyone would consider it racist to want the prime minister of the UK to be of British ethnicity , only people without our best interests at front and centre would think so . Probably because there is no such thing as "ethnically British".... because shock horror... over the centuries the people of Europe have moved around and shagged each other. Ethnicity has little to do with heritage but is more a process of culture, shared values, belonging and joint acceptance. Many people who believe themselves unassailably ethnic British may have little or no actual British blood in their veins. |
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 10, 2024 7:54:59 GMT
Well not those two people specifically but I'm sure you get my drift . Just to be clear though people without ethnic connections to other countries . I dont know why anyone would consider it racist to want the prime minister of the UK to be of British ethnicity , only people without our best interests at front and centre would think so . Probably because there is no such thing as "ethnically British".... because shock horror... over the centuries the people of Europe have moved around and shagged each other. For sure the UK historically is a melting pot of European peoples ,the same sort of continental mix can be said for any country in the world apart from a few isolated islands Every form you have to fill in these days be it a passport application or trying to get your bins collected on the right day will ask you your ethnicity . And the choices will be White British which must mean white people with a British heritage because another choice is White other (those without a British heritage ). I totally agree that that's not an ethnicity in the true meaning of ethnic groups but for the purpose of the debate we are having it is . |
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