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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 8, 2024 10:18:52 GMT
It's all about winning over the Muslim block vote. Galloway and Corbyn merely function as Labour party pressure groups to test the ground. I agree. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 8, 2024 10:20:18 GMT
Your post is a disgrace obviously influenced by the Torygraph. Recognising Palestinian Arabs is not the same as recognising Hamas terrorists. To not recognise the rights of Palestinian Arabs in Palestine is to back the elimination of any rights to the Palestinian Arabs in Palestine. And that would just be a guarantee of continued Arab terrorism. Bollox. See previous^ |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 8, 2024 10:22:33 GMT
If the opinion polls are anywhere close to been accurate, Starmer does not "need Muslim votes" Recognising Palestine has no connection to either Hamas or Hezbollah, which are political movements with armed wings. Palestine is a partially recognised state which has existed in one form or another for hundreds of years. Many democratic nations recognise Palestine, including just about every nation in South America, Africa and Asia. In Europe, Palestine is recognised by Spain, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Poland, Iceland, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Ukraine and The Vatican. There is absolutely nothing incompatable with recognising Palestine and opposing acts of terrorism as carried out by Hamas on 7th October 2023, and supporting the right to self determination has no connection to supporting terrorism. Just because other countries in 'South America Africa and Asia'! Recognise Palestine does not mean the UK should fall into line, the only reason Starmer has announced this is because Labour need Muslim votes in 16 safe constituencies, and as many as 30 marginals and the obvious way of appeasing this vociferous aggressive minority is for Starmer to announce that if they vote Labour he will recognise Palestine. It's absolutely transparent. MOST of the world recognises Palestine, it is now down to just a handfull of nations that do not recognise Palestine. In recent weeks Spain, Ireland and Norway have joined the list, adding to the growing list of European nations which do so. Recognising Palestine has always been on the cards of any potential Labour government, and so it is by no means any suprise. Recognising Palestine is seen as a way adding more legitimacy to the international objective of a Two State Solution, which most people rightly believe is the only way of solving the conflict. I see no reason as to why the United Kingdom should NOT recognise Palestine <---- THATS THE POINT |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 8, 2024 10:31:10 GMT
Just because other countries in 'South America Africa and Asia'! Recognise Palestine does not mean the UK should fall into line, the only reason Starmer has announced this is because Labour need Muslim votes in 16 safe constituencies, and as many as 30 marginals and the obvious way of appeasing this vociferous aggressive minority is for Starmer to announce that if they vote Labour he will recognise Palestine. It's absolutely transparent. MOST of the world recognises Palestine, it is now down to just a handfull of nations that do not recognise Palestine. In recent weeks Spain, Ireland and Norway have joined the list, adding to the growing list of European nations which do so. Recognising Palestine has always been on the cards of any potential Labour government, and so it is by no means any suprise. Recognising Palestine is seen as a way adding more legitimacy to the international objective of a Two State Solution, which most people rightly believe is the only way of solving the conflict. I see no reason as to why the United Kingdom should NOT recognise Palestine <---- THATS THE POINT Irrelevant. As I said, the UK should be leaders not followers and under no circumstances should there be any talk of recognising Palestine as long as Hamas terrorists continue to hold 124 120 Israeli hostages. It's an absolute disgrace that Starmer has caved in for no other reason than he needs Muslim votes. He is a shabby snake oil salesman. Edit: IDF forces rescued 4 hostages this morning. Hopefully took out many Hamas terrorists in the process. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2024 10:35:31 GMT
That's a good question. Another good question is to define its borders. Palestine doesn't exist - it is virtue signalling by people who have nothing better to do. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 8, 2024 10:56:56 GMT
That's a good question. Another good question is to define its borders. Palestine doesn't exist - it is virtue signalling by people who have nothing better to do. Neither does Stoke on Trent. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 8, 2024 11:02:55 GMT
MOST of the world recognises Palestine, it is now down to just a handfull of nations that do not recognise Palestine. In recent weeks Spain, Ireland and Norway have joined the list, adding to the growing list of European nations which do so. Recognising Palestine has always been on the cards of any potential Labour government, and so it is by no means any suprise. Recognising Palestine is seen as a way adding more legitimacy to the international objective of a Two State Solution, which most people rightly believe is the only way of solving the conflict. I see no reason as to why the United Kingdom should NOT recognise Palestine <---- THATS THE POINT Irrelevant. As I said, the UK should be leaders not followers and under no circumstances should there be any talk of recognising Palestine as long as Hamas terrorists continue to hold 124 Israeli hostages. It's an absolute disgrace that Starmer has caved in for no other reason than he needs Muslim votes. He is a shabby snake oil salesman. The terror attack of October 7th 2023 and the taking of Israeli hostages is a separate issue as to whether (A) there needs to be a Two State Solution, and (B) whether the UK should recognise Palestine. Just the same as ANC terrorist attacks in pre-democratic South Africa was a separate issue to One Person = One Vote. Whether or not elements of Hamas commit attrocities ( as do the Israeli's ) makes not a shred of difference to the fact that the Palestinian people have a legitimate and rightfull claim to an independent Palestine. I am afraid that you just dont "Get It" ... Its Chicken or Egg, which comes first, solve the killings on both sides by accepting what the Palestinian people are asking for. What do you REALLY believe the outcome will be if Israel continues with its current stance ?, are you really foolish enough to believe it will result in peace. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 8, 2024 11:47:19 GMT
Your post is a disgrace obviously influenced by the Torygraph. Recognising Palestinian Arabs is not the same as recognising Hamas terrorists. To not recognise the rights of Palestinian Arabs in Palestine is to back the elimination of any rights to the Palestinian Arabs in Palestine. And that would just be a guarantee of continued Arab terrorism. Bollox. See previous^ The bollox are all yours, its time for you to open your mind up to reality. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 8, 2024 11:58:12 GMT
The terror attack of October 7th 2023 and the taking of Israeli hostages is a separate issue as to whether (A) there needs to be a Two State Solution, and (B) whether the UK should recognise Palestine... No it isn't, however much you might wish otherwise. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 8, 2024 12:03:57 GMT
That's a good question. Another good question is to define its borders. Palestine doesn't exist - it is virtue signalling by people who have nothing better to do. During the Ottoman era, (400 years?) Filistin (a cognate of Palestine) was used to refer to the Holy Land in a general way. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 8, 2024 12:05:53 GMT
The terror attack of October 7th 2023 and the taking of Israeli hostages is a separate issue as to whether (A) there needs to be a Two State Solution, and (B) whether the UK should recognise Palestine. No it isn't, however much you might wish otherwise. Nonsense ^^^ as expected. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 8, 2024 12:10:48 GMT
The irony.  |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 8, 2024 12:12:54 GMT
A Palestinian state could and imo almost certainly would still be threat to the existence of Israel .
It could still be governed by a terrorist organisation and still be threat . Hamas doesn’t give a shit about the suffering of the people it’s supposed to represent.
It wants to destroy Israel.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 8, 2024 12:21:30 GMT
Palestine doesn't exist - it is virtue signalling by people who have nothing better to do. During the Ottoman era, (400 years?) Filistin (a cognate of Palestine) was used to refer to the Holy Land in a general way. Would that be the same Ottoman Empire who for 600 years enslaved literally millions of people from the Caucasus, Eastern Europe, Southern Europe, Southeast Europe, and Africa? But ffs keep it to yourself, as far as outraged lefties are concerned the nasty racist English are the only people who were ever involved in slavery. Right kids... |
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Post by dodgydave on Jun 8, 2024 16:03:47 GMT
Notice how people talk about the need for the West to recognise Palestine, yet they don't talk about Iran.
There will never be peace in the Middle East while Iran is run by religious nutters.
A stable two state solution will promote democracy, and that directly threatens all the authoritarian states in the Middle East.
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