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Post by witchfinder on Jun 7, 2024 12:32:40 GMT
If the opinion polls are anywhere close to been accurate, Starmer does not "need Muslim votes" Recognising Palestine has no connection to either Hamas or Hezbollah, which are political movements with armed wings. Palestine is a partially recognised state which has existed in one form or another for hundreds of years. Many democratic nations recognise Palestine, including just about every nation in South America, Africa and Asia. In Europe, Palestine is recognised by Spain, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Poland, Iceland, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Ukraine and The Vatican. There is absolutely nothing incompatable with recognising Palestine and opposing acts of terrorism as carried out by Hamas on 7th October 2023, and supporting the right to self determination has no connection to supporting terrorism. He doesn’t need them now because the Tories have gifted him a spell in No 10. He might need them for a second term though . There are millions of non-Muslim voters who would support this move ... including me We support 100% the right for Israel to exist as a state, and also Palestine, its the default view of most of the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2024 12:38:28 GMT
He doesn’t need them now because the Tories have gifted him a spell in No 10. He might need them for a second term though . There are millions of non-Muslim voters who would support this move ... including me We support 100% the right for Israel to exist as a state, and also Palestine, its the default view of most of the world. But you stated that Israel reap what they sow whilst the Hamas terrorist attack was happening, and since you're a Starmer supporter we can only conclude that this is the party line. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jun 7, 2024 13:04:54 GMT
If the opinion polls are anywhere close to been accurate, Starmer does not "need Muslim votes" Recognising Palestine has no connection to either Hamas or Hezbollah, which are political movements with armed wings. Palestine is a partially recognised state which has existed in one form or another for hundreds of years. Many democratic nations recognise Palestine, including just about every nation in South America, Africa and Asia. In Europe, Palestine is recognised by Spain, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Poland, Iceland, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Ukraine and The Vatican. There is absolutely nothing incompatable with recognising Palestine and opposing acts of terrorism as carried out by Hamas on 7th October 2023, and supporting the right to self determination has no connection to supporting terrorism. Countries recognising Palestine is an easy win for them, however it is just virtue signaling. The hard thing to do is to say it is pointless right now because Israel, Palestine and Iran will not accept a two-state solution. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 7, 2024 13:09:10 GMT
If the opinion polls are anywhere close to been accurate, Starmer does not "need Muslim votes" Recognising Palestine has no connection to either Hamas or Hezbollah, which are political movements with armed wings. Palestine is a partially recognised state which has existed in one form or another for hundreds of years. Many democratic nations recognise Palestine, including just about every nation in South America, Africa and Asia. In Europe, Palestine is recognised by Spain, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Poland, Iceland, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Ukraine and The Vatican. There is absolutely nothing incompatable with recognising Palestine and opposing acts of terrorism as carried out by Hamas on 7th October 2023, and supporting the right to self determination has no connection to supporting terrorism. Countries recognising Palestine is an easy win for them, however it is just virtue signaling. The hard thing to do is to say it is pointless right now because Israel, Palestine and Iran will not accept a two-state solution. If Labour recognise Palestine then they must also recognise the borders of Palestine and the land it encompasses. Would that be the 67 borders and how would Jerusalem fit into this scenario? |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 7, 2024 13:26:03 GMT
He doesn’t need them now because the Tories have gifted him a spell in No 10. He might need them for a second term though . There are millions of non-Muslim voters who would support this move ... including me We support 100% the right for Israel to exist as a state, and also Palestine, it’s the default view of most of the world. This seems to be going over your little head , maybe that’s why you are moving the goalposts in every post . Rayner was courting the Muslims , she wasn’t cosying up to you . She was backpedaling to the Muslims via photo opportunity because Labour might need their votes in the next election . |
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 7, 2024 13:29:42 GMT
Its all very well Starmer saying he recognises the Palestine state but even the Palestinians don't recognise whats been offered to them over the years as their state . Starmer needs to be clearer for those who want to vote labour , where are the borders going to be , where exactly is this state we are going to recognise .
Also where does he now stand on Israel has the right to defend itself ? Starmer poses more questions than he answers every time he speaks
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 7, 2024 13:44:28 GMT
In the West Bank, in Gaza, in East Jerusalem, Palestinians are the majority, and these ARE THEIR LANDS, its where they live and have lived for hundreds of years.
Why is it ok to support the right for Israel to exist as a free nation, but not Palestine. ?
What is wrong with most of the world recognising both states ?
The only way to resolve this 80 year old conflict is a two state solution, I know it, President Biden knows it, most of the world knows it, including virtually every government in Europe.
The more countries which recognise Palestine, the more Israel is put under pressure, particularly prominent states such as the United Kingdom, and recognising Palestine would be another blow for Netenyahu.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 7, 2024 13:50:15 GMT
Eventually , when Israel has destroyed the terrorist groups that infest Palestine then maybe a discussion about a long term solution would be apt …but not until then .
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 7, 2024 14:19:39 GMT
In the West Bank, in Gaza, in East Jerusalem, Palestinians are the majority, and these ARE THEIR LANDS, its where they live and have lived for hundreds of years. Why is it ok to support the right for Israel to exist as a free nation, but not Palestine. ? What is wrong with most of the world recognising both states ?The only way to resolve this 80 year old conflict is a two state solution, I know it, President Biden knows it, most of the world knows it, including virtually every government in Europe. The more countries which recognise Palestine, the more Israel is put under pressure, particularly prominent states such as the United Kingdom, and recognising Palestine would be another blow for Netenyahu. How can the rest of the world recognise both states when one of the states concerned doesn't? |
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Post by om15 on Jun 7, 2024 14:30:09 GMT
The fact that Starmer is making these sort of statements in light of your self evident observation shows that he is either stupid, deceitful or a mollusc, or all three.
Starmer is a hard left liar that will promise anything to anyone to gain power.
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Post by aristaeus on Jun 7, 2024 14:31:47 GMT
They already are, which is why he's licking backside in his latest flip flop. At least with Corbyn you knew what you got - the friend of Hamas and Hezbollah. In londonistan under Khan's infestation many churches and synagogues have closed whilst mosques have increased Using terms like infestation just dehumanises people. It's exactly the same language the NAZIs used to describe Jews. I'm sure you could use more respectable language. As for recognising a Palestinian state, it's a fairly logical step. The only chance for peace in the middle east is for a two-state solution, which Netanyahu is opposed to. If you want peace, you're going to have to recognise Palestine as a state at some point. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 7, 2024 14:34:13 GMT
Eventually , when Israel has destroyed the terrorist groups that infest Palestine then maybe a discussion about a long term solution would be apt …but not until then . So, what about ordinary Palestinians in the mean time? 🤔 |
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Post by om15 on Jun 7, 2024 14:37:33 GMT
Or ordinary Israelis for that matter, you know, the ones that have been under going regular rocket attacks for the past 15 years. The way people are going on about the Palestinians is ignoring the plight of the Israelis who were attacked by the Palestinians last October.
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Post by aristaeus on Jun 7, 2024 14:40:13 GMT
The fact that Starmer is making these sort of statements in light of your self evident observation shows that he is either stupid, deceitful or a mollusc, or all three. Starmer is a hard left liar that will promise anything to anyone to gain power. To call Starmer hard left is to have a very strange concept of left and right. I can't think of a single political expert who would put him any further than centre-left, and even that is quite frankly generous. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 7, 2024 14:48:43 GMT
The only chance for peace in the middle east is for a two-state solution, which Netanyahu is opposed to... As are Hamas. |
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