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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 16:24:06 GMT
ITV 9pm. Will you be tuning in? I think it will be quite interesting, Starmer certainly has a lot more to lose than Sunak and from what political commentators are saying Sunak is really up for it, he is apparently raring to go, but I suppose he has to give that impression. On the other hand, I imagine Labour HQ are not looking forward to it, Starmer has about as much charisma as a damp rag, and less personality.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 4, 2024 16:58:41 GMT
Sunak has to be "up for it"; unless he can pull of a minor miracle the Tories are done.
Starmer usually comes across as not very passionate, and entirely lacking in principles; the Labour Party might be better served by him having a convenient accident that delays him.
All The Best
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 17:13:32 GMT
LOL ^(Genuine laugh out loud btw) Yes indeed, I imagine Labour HQ would be less than upset if Starmer was for some reason delayed.
There is one thing, I hope Sunak doesn't constantly talk over Starmer as he did with Truss during the 2022 debates. It annoys the audience and comes across as bullying and ignorant, which are typically lefty traits. Yes they are.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 4, 2024 17:47:12 GMT
I cannot see the majority of voters being turned on by Sunak or Starmer, blathering in their usual fashion somehow, I might wash my hair and watch paint dry instead.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 4, 2024 17:51:02 GMT
LOL ^(Genuine laugh out loud btw) Yes indeed, I imagine Labour HQ would be less than upset if Starmer was for some reason delayed. There is one thing, I hope Sunak doesn't constantly talk over Starmer as he did with Truss during the 2022 debates. It annoys the audience and comes across as bullying and ignorant, which are typically lefty traits. Yes they are. I think neither side of the political spectrum is immune from that. Leftist bullying, in my experience, tends to be more overt. Rightist bullying tends to be more institutional. Heck, the very concept of Government itself is built upon the premise of bullying - "do as we say or else": Violence: the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived. Note: that doesn't mean I am an anarchist; civilised society needs laws and rules, but let's not kid ourselves about the ultimate consequences of ignoring those laws and rules - state authorised violence. All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 18:00:32 GMT
I cannot see the majority of voters being turned on by Sunak or Starmer, blathering in their usual fashion somehow, I might wash my hair and watch paint dry instead. Well you are of course entitled to an opinion, however wrong it may be. There are far more qualified political commentators than you or I who are of the opinion that a bad performance by Starmer this evening could see the gap in the polls close more rapidly than predicted, not enough for a Tory win, but enough to worry Labour HQ, and lets not forget this is only the first leaders debate. The pressure is definately on Starmer, he's got it all to lose. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 18:11:22 GMT
LOL ^(Genuine laugh out loud btw) Yes indeed, I imagine Labour HQ would be less than upset if Starmer was for some reason delayed. There is one thing, I hope Sunak doesn't constantly talk over Starmer as he did with Truss during the 2022 debates. It annoys the audience and comes across as bullying and ignorant, which are typically lefty traits. Yes they are. I think neither side of the political spectrum is immune from that. Leftist bullying, in my experience, tends to be more overt. Rightist bullying tends to be more institutional. Heck, the very concept of Government itself is built upon the premise of bullying - "do as we say or else": Violence: the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived. Note: that doesn't mean I am an anarchist; civilised society needs laws and rules, but let's not kid ourselves about the ultimate consequences of ignoring those laws and rules - state authorised violence. All The Best I listened to Labour candidate Pat McFadden being interviewed earlier and the interview was nothing if not annoying. The interviewer asked a question, he then completely ignored the question and went into a rant about the Tories. The interviewer attempted to cut in, but he was not going to be stopped, it's as if he had his hands over his ears and he was reading from an autocue he absolutely refused to stop talking because he didn't want to answer questions that were being put to him. You may say I'm being partisan, but in my experience this a common trait with Labour MP's, or candidates. It's as if they have been told, do not answer questions. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 4, 2024 18:14:10 GMT
I think neither side of the political spectrum is immune from that. Leftist bullying, in my experience, tends to be more overt. Rightist bullying tends to be more institutional. Heck, the very concept of Government itself is built upon the premise of bullying - "do as we say or else": Violence: the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived. Note: that doesn't mean I am an anarchist; civilised society needs laws and rules, but let's not kid ourselves about the ultimate consequences of ignoring those laws and rules - state authorised violence. All The Best I listened to Labour candidate Pat McFadden being interviewed earlier and the interview was nothing if not annoying. The interviewer asked a question, he then completely ignored the question and went into a rant about the Tories. The interviewer attempted to cut in, but he was not going to be stopped, it's as if he had his hands over his ears and he was reading from an autocue he absolutely refused to stop talking because he didn't want to answer questions that were being put to him. You may say I'm being partisan, but in my experience this a common trait with Labour MP's, or candidates. It's as if they have been told, do not answer questions. Just like every Tory does about Labour. When was the last time any MP, or Minster, of ANY party answered a straight question with a straight answer? Martin Bell? All The Best |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 4, 2024 18:20:15 GMT
I cannot see the majority of voters being turned on by Sunak or Starmer, blathering in their usual fashion somehow, I might wash my hair and watch paint dry instead. Well you are of course entitled to an opinion, however wrong it may be. There are far more qualified political commentators than you or I who are of the opinion that a bad performance by Starmer this evening could see the gap in the polls close more rapidly than predicted, not enough for a Tory win, but enough to worry Labour HQ, and lets not forget this is only the first leaders debate. The pressure is definately on Starmer, he's got it all to lose. You have been reading the MSM again, polls don't mean squat, as has been proven tons of times. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 18:33:48 GMT
Well you are of course entitled to an opinion, however wrong it may be. There are far more qualified political commentators than you or I who are of the opinion that a bad performance by Starmer this evening could see the gap in the polls close more rapidly than predicted, not enough for a Tory win, but enough to worry Labour HQ, and lets not forget this is only the first leaders debate. The pressure is definately on Starmer, he's got it all to lose. You have been reading the MSM again, polls don't mean squat, as has been proven tons of times. LOL. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 19:23:15 GMT
Kelvin MacKenzie on GB News has just said these leaders debates are pointless and will not make an iota of difference, and I agree with him, they wont alter the fact that the Tories have lost the election. But they may make a difference in other areas, there are apparently some Tory MP's or candidates who are on the verge of joining Reform UK. Word has it they are waiting to see what Sunaks performance is like tonight.
Not only that, but a good performance from Sunak may have an adverse effect on Labours majority, and indeed on Tory voters who are currently considering voting Reform UK. So I agree with Kelvin MacKenzie that the debates will not alter the fact that Labour have won the election, but I disagree that they are pointless.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 20:05:06 GMT
Why the hell is this leaders debate being held in a dark blue glass box? Christ is a political debate not a fuckin gameshow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2024 20:25:20 GMT
Wouldn't you rather be watching the tennis? Two establishment lefties and a handpicked ITV audience doesn't sound like something I could enjoy.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 20:26:17 GMT
LOL this is great, Sunak is like a hungry Rottweiler he's chomping at the bit, he wont be shut up, and it's clearly rattling Starmer.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 20:26:52 GMT
Wouldn't you rather be watching the tennis? Two establishment lefties and a handpicked ITV audience doesn't sound like something I could enjoy. Tennis! In a word, no. |
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