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Post by buccaneer on Jun 15, 2024 0:30:06 GMT
Wrong. The EU is also a POLITICAL Union. In the same way that the Boy Scouts used to be. You can't coordinate trade and make trade deals without a unifired voice. Obviously. I think most people know what you've said here isn't quite true. I see Pacifico has also quoted the EU itself about the UK's lack of wanting 'ever closer political union'. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 15, 2024 5:49:53 GMT
‘Euro crisis threat’ as French borrowing costs match Portugal for first time in 20 years..... Borrowing costs imposed on the French government jumped to the same level as that of Portugal on Friday amid fears that political turmoil in Paris could spark a financial crisis. There has been a growing sense of alarm among investors ever since Emmanuel Macron announced a snap election earlier this week.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 15, 2024 7:10:28 GMT
It's not FoM which is propelling the populist movements on the continent but rather immigration from the Middle East, Africa, the sub-continent and China. As for six million EU nationals in the UK, the 2021 census counted 3.7 million. Where are the other 2+ million hiding? I guess then Dan, that is an admittance that the EU were more than just complicit. Complicit in what sheeps? |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 15, 2024 7:13:44 GMT
I guess then Dan, that is an admittance that the EU were more than just complicit. Complicit in what sheeps? Creating borderless states and flooding countries with unwanted and unneeded immigration. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 15, 2024 7:18:36 GMT
All states have borders as far as I'm aware sheepy, are you aware of any that don't? As for immigration, you do know I'm sure that the EU does not control immigration, that's the prerogative of individual member states. Have you ever seen or heard of an EU border agent or immigration officer?
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Post by sheepy on Jun 15, 2024 7:26:16 GMT
All states have borders as far as I'm aware sheepy, are you aware of any that don't? As for immigration, you do know I'm sure that the EU does not control immigration, that's the prerogative of individual member states. Have you ever seen or heard of an EU border agent or immigration officer? Well maybe you should read the EU fundamental requirements then. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 15, 2024 7:37:53 GMT
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 15, 2024 7:58:07 GMT
All states have borders as far as I'm aware sheepy, are you aware of any that don't? As for immigration, you do know I'm sure that the EU does not control immigration, that's the prerogative of individual member states. Have you ever seen or heard of an EU border agent or immigration officer? Well maybe you should read the EU fundamental requirements then. Your link doesn't tell us how the EU goes about the business of "flooding countries with unwanted and unneeded immigration". Why not have another go. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 15, 2024 8:05:48 GMT
This has nothing to do with immigration per se. It's all about Hungary's treatment of would-be asylum seekers which is contrary to EU asylum law and the underlying Geneva convention on refugees. Hungary undertook to comply with all such law when it joined the EU in 2004. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 15, 2024 9:57:09 GMT
All I am pointing out that saying the EU are not complicit in creating many of our present problems just isn't true, while Hungary is proof of the pudding.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 15, 2024 10:36:27 GMT
All states have borders as far as I'm aware sheepy, are you aware of any that don't? As for immigration, you do know I'm sure that the EU does not control immigration, that's the prerogative of individual member states. Have you ever seen or heard of an EU border agent or immigration officer?  |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 15, 2024 13:08:27 GMT
Like Sheepy you appear to have not got round to reading the EU 'brochure' he linked to earlier., the one he presented in response to my question about how the EU goes about its business of "flooding countries with unwanted and unneeded immigration". ..."[Frontex] coordinates different kinds of actions, such as joint operations at EU Member States’ sea and land borders, and deploys, upon request, Rapid Border Intervention Teams (RABITs) made up of national border guards to EU Member States that are facing urgent and exceptional pressures at their external border."
Emphasis added.
Perhaps you can help him out.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 15, 2024 16:14:08 GMT
Like Sheepy you appear to have not got round to reading the EU 'brochure' he linked to earlier., the one he presented in response to my question about how the EU goes about its business of "flooding countries with unwanted and unneeded immigration". ..."[Frontex] coordinates different kinds of actions, such as joint operations at EU Member States’ sea and land borders, and deploys, upon request, Rapid Border Intervention Teams (RABITs) made up of national border guards to EU Member States that are facing urgent and exceptional pressures at their external border."
Emphasis added.
Perhaps you can help him out.
Just offering the chance to stop digging a hole on behalf of the EU Dan. If you are going to support them, at least do it with your eyes open and if you think you are going to pull the wool over everyone else's eyes on their behalf, there just might be others who know differently. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 15, 2024 19:35:47 GMT
I was only enquiring how you had arrived at the conclusion that the EU was "flooding countries with unwanted and unneeded immigration", but if it's too hard for you to explain I won't press the matter.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 15, 2024 20:13:15 GMT
It's quite simple really, anything that points to the slow but sure centralised EU control over Europe and its constant expansion, is immediately pointed out that any problems created by it, are nothing to do with the Brussels mafia but about local governments lack of abiding by the rules. Even when it is blatantly obvious what they are actually doing.
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