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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 7, 2024 12:23:22 GMT
Well, right wing gains across the EU certainly call into question the notion of "ever closer union". Not necessarily. Some may have been inspired by Mosley's ideology of pan-European nationalism, 'Europe a Nation: From Lisbon to Vladivostok'. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2024 12:25:22 GMT
Hamas terrorism has been rewarded by the Reich members.
Jew hatred is at an all time high.
The young in the EU are moving toward those the lefties on here call the far-right.
The EUphile Left refer to British D-Day veterans and patriots as pig meat.
Yeah, it's certainly moved on since the EEC.
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 7, 2024 12:42:48 GMT
The latest poll conducted on this issue was published just a few days ago by Deltapoll (surveyed 31st May - 03 June) and it shows that there is a 17% lead for REJOIN over STAY OUT. The argument and case for the UK belonging to a united Europe is like a War, the LEAVE supporters won the Referendum Battle, but the war is not over, and at the present time the pro-EU supporters have the upper hand, they are the majority. Unfortunately for the LEAVE voters, the future is pretty bleak, and things do not bode very well for them There is a Demographic "Time Bomb" ticking away, younger people are heavily in favour of REJOIN, and the older generation are much more weighted in favour of STAY OUT. Over time the calls to rejoin the European Union are going to get louder, and at some point in the future, their voices will not be ignored. As I keep saying which seems to be falling on deaf ears , under what terms are we re-joining on your poll ? 17% is a piss poor lead if you haven't told people they will have to have the euro , handing over our fishing quotas to European fisheries , net zero and other green directives , more powers to EU courts ,immigrant quotas ,EU forces ect ect . The EU is an ever evolving political construct that is heading toward complete federalism .What wasn't maybe obvious to some at the last vote will be crystal clear if we attempt to rejoin . As it stands I would predict an even bigger majority to stay out . The only chance of rejoining would be if the EU did indeed lurch to the right , secure the external borders and repatriate all unskilled migrants that have arrived in the past ten years .Basically return to the EEC and have another go at getting it right . |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 8, 2024 0:27:57 GMT
The latest poll conducted on this issue was published just a few days ago by Deltapoll (surveyed 31st May - 03 June) and it shows that there is a 17% lead for REJOIN over STAY OUT. The argument and case for the UK belonging to a united Europe is like a War, the LEAVE supporters won the Referendum Battle, but the war is not over, and at the present time the pro-EU supporters have the upper hand, they are the majority. Unfortunately for the LEAVE voters, the future is pretty bleak, and things do not bode very well for them There is a Demographic "Time Bomb" ticking away, younger people are heavily in favour of REJOIN, and the older generation are much more weighted in favour of STAY OUT. Over time the calls to rejoin the European Union are going to get louder, and at some point in the future, their voices will not be ignored. You're dreaming. Pining of returning back to a stagnant regulatory empire. The fact Starmer hasn't even campaigned on this ticket tells you that you're away with the fairies. I don't believe there is much of a desire from the Westminster bubble to rejoin the EU. Maybe a few fringe sycophants like you and the Lib Dems. Anyway, you haven't told this 'young' lot what they'd be voting for, so they don't know what they'd be voting for, which is why the Westminster bubble know it's a non-starter. As soon as the UK left, the odds of staying out stacked heavily in Leaves favour. The work is all yours to do. Convincing Britons they'll have to adopt the Euro, Schengen, no opt-outs, CAP, fisheries, regulatory oversight that ensures the UK becomes a council chamber of Brussels, and British lives start becoming micromanaged again from Brussels along with FoM, lower wages and being at the mercy of a another foreign court. Good luck with that! |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 8, 2024 6:59:14 GMT
As things currently stand in this country, MOST people from the business world, in particular exporters, believe that Brexit was a huge mistake. EVERY poll conducted on the issue of EU membership over the last 2 years shows a referendum tomorrow would result in rejoining the EU by a wider margin than the result of 2016. Political parties which have aspirations to rejoin the EU include the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid, The Green Party and Sin Fein. In the last two BBC Question Time episodes, business leaders and politicians who have argued the case for rejoining the EU have received rapturous applause from the audiences. The Number 1 reason why the far right has risen in mainland Europe is because of immigration, not the European Union. In many instances, people who are pro-EU have voted for the far right solely because of immigration from outside the EU, including refugees and asylum seekers. There is no huge appetite in Europe to dismantle the EU or to withdraw from the EUThat can be summed up in one word fiddles...BOLLOCKS |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 8, 2024 9:53:24 GMT
We really need to be knocking this nonsense on the head: "Tom van Grieken, the leader the Flemish separatist party Vlaams Belang has been closely aligned with Geert Wilders, the Dutch populist whose party became the biggest in the Netherlands last year, who will join him on the campaign trail in Aalst on Saturday. Like Marine Le Pen in France, the Belgian wants to take back control, especially on migration and asylum, but unlike Nigel Farage he does not want to leave the EU.
“We’re not like the Brexiteers. We’re not for an exit, we are in favour of reforming the EU,” he said."
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2024 10:37:53 GMT
Yeah, been there done that - we tried reforming the EU from within. Didn't get anywhere.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 8, 2024 11:13:25 GMT
That's because of the UK's semi-detached membership and dog in the manger attitude. Any potential allies that might have rallied to the cause became alienated by Thatcher's antics etc. The only members that ever sided with the UK were the Eastern Europeans out of gratitude for the UK's staunch support in their accession.
Unfortunately though they don't have anywhere near the political influence or clout of the original EU-15 amongst whom the UK squandered any support they might have otherwise received in making a case for reform.
This isn't even accounting for the representational damage that Farage's wrecking crew did which went down extremely badly on the continent. The typical response was to say that any country that can elect such a clown to the European Parliament can never be a serious member of the EU.
A shame really.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 8, 2024 16:06:06 GMT
Do you believe that the EU needs reform?
I do, and in my view unless nations started leaving, they wouldn't have had a sufficiently strong kick up the arse to change their attitude towards reform.
We're out and doing ok. The EU has initiated a reform process.
No reason to be upset.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2024 17:00:41 GMT
That's because of the UK's semi-detached membership and dog in the manger attitude. Any potential allies that might have rallied to the cause became alienated by Thatcher's antics etc. The only members that ever sided with the UK were the Eastern Europeans out of gratitude for the UK's staunch support in their accession. Unfortunately though they don't have anywhere near the political influence or clout of the original EU-15 amongst whom the UK squandered any support they might have otherwise received in making a case for reform. This isn't even accounting for the representational damage that Farage's wrecking crew did which went down extremely badly on the continent. The typical response was to say that any country that can elect such a clown to the European Parliament can never be a serious member of the EU. A shame really. Have it ever occured to you that the EU does not want to reform? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 8, 2024 17:10:04 GMT
“We’re not like the Brexiteers. We’re not for an exit, we are in favour of reforming the EU,” he said Tom van Grieken is quite the optimist, good luck with that plan, history would suggest he's going to need it. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 8, 2024 17:13:16 GMT
Have it ever occured to you that the EU does not want to reform? It depends what you mean by 'the EU'. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 8, 2024 18:43:55 GMT
The Commission for starters.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 8, 2024 18:58:25 GMT
The latest poll conducted on this issue was published just a few days ago by Deltapoll (surveyed 31st May - 03 June) and it shows that there is a 17% lead for REJOIN over STAY OUT. The argument and case for the UK belonging to a united Europe is like a War, the LEAVE supporters won the Referendum Battle, but the war is not over, and at the present time the pro-EU supporters have the upper hand, they are the majority. Unfortunately for the LEAVE voters, the future is pretty bleak, and things do not bode very well for them There is a Demographic "Time Bomb" ticking away, younger people are heavily in favour of REJOIN, and the older generation are much more weighted in favour of STAY OUT. Over time the calls to rejoin the European Union are going to get louder, and at some point in the future, their voices will not be ignored.  |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 8, 2024 19:43:52 GMT
That's because of the UK's semi-detached membership and dog in the manger attitude. Any potential allies that might have rallied to the cause became alienated by Thatcher's antics etc. The only members that ever sided with the UK were the Eastern Europeans out of gratitude for the UK's staunch support in their accession. Unfortunately though they don't have anywhere near the political influence or clout of the original EU-15 amongst whom the UK squandered any support they might have otherwise received in making a case for reform. This isn't even accounting for the representational damage that Farage's wrecking crew did which went down extremely badly on the continent. The typical response was to say that any country that can elect such a clown to the European Parliament can never be a serious member of the EU.A shame really. And yet Luxembourg got away scot-free for electing the utterly corrupt Jean-Claude Junker to the European Parliament. All The Best |
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